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On 2013-09-17 23:50:33, false_morel wrote:
On 2013-09-17 22:28:44, Sonysta wrote:
On 2013-09-17 20:08:24, false_morel wrote:
On 2013-09-17 10:10:15, Sonysta wrote:
Damian Dinning’s feedback on the Nokia Lumia 1020 PureView !!!
pureviewclub.com/2013/17346
[ This Message was edited by: Sonysta on 2013-09-17 09:10 ]
I wonder what those stating that the 1020 is no competition to the 808 would say after reading this piece from Dinning..
The difference between the two phones is obvious: different philosophies used for processing.
Even on sharpening, I tend to agree with Nokia's approach over the request of using less sharpening..
The reasoning for this is all obvious as well. Cameraphones are all about the average Joe not the photography enthusiasts. I would never use a 1020 or an 808 to shoot a wedding, or a sports event, or a pro like portrait photography, or of course use it as primary camera even if my DSLR means more space and hassle carrying it around!
With the 808 Nokia knew it won't sell mainstream and mainly addressed at the loyal Nokia photography fans and those hardcore photographers who would use the 808 as a secondary compact camera. So they didn't want to disappoint them.
But with the 1020 they wanted to sell mainstream. And the mainstream wants an iPhone-like camera. Sharp, vibrant colors..
And it makes sense for a compact anyway.
I would never post-process an image from my phone. Come on! Will never waste time on that. Enough time spent on processing RAW content from my DSLR!
I want ready to share and occasionally print images. Either way in small sizes. So 5 MP makes perfect sense, as I would be sharing them online socially, or print them small.
So what's the need of pixel peeping to spot some noise and artifacts?! And what's the use of neutral coloring approach of I'm never be retouching them on PC?!
When I use neutral settings on DSLR in the rare cases I shoot in JPEG I know I will be readjusting the color slides afterwards. No serious photographer leaves an image in pale lifeless colors!
Think practically people not getting stuck in the abstract!
Of course there will always be room for optimizations and enhancements.. So Nokia have a job to bring in some new feature additions and optimize the camera output in some conditions where it skews the results..
But overall, the 1020 is the new benchmark. Live wit it!
1020 "Fake Pureview" is the new benchmark ?
Here the proof that 1020 is not the best cameraphone… Besides it being less than 808 Pureview in all situations, it is also less than the Xperia Z1 in photos at night or in low light.
http://www.sonymobile.com/glo[....]ults/xperia-z1/#camera-overall
P.S: The pictures speak for themselves !
#1020fakepureview
Dude you shared the article where Dinning who doesn't work at Nokia anymore and uses an 808 as his own personal smartphone at the moment stated that the 1020 is the new benchmark and you then you tend to say the exact opposite? Did you read that article?
Anyway, speaking cameras only, yes 1020 is the benchmark. If we are to talk still image quality.
Nokia need only adjust the WB in some conditions where it tends to go yellowish in some scenes on auto..
This is the only major thing needs to be addressed and Nokia will address through an update..
Adding more features and addressing the snap to snap time should be also on the to do list..
Other than that, the addition of OIS, the new superbly designed camera app, and highly useful additional camera lenses or applications, are enough to settle the battle really.
As to Sony, do you have any unbiased comparisons to share? because no one is taking a comparison done by Sony seriously same as no one should take a comparison done by Nokia or any OEM seriously as well..
Dinning no longer working at Nokia, but still have interests there (such as return to work at Microsoft soon) !
And I just shared this article to prove que 1020 is less than 808 in absolutely all situations and can only get quality images
"PURE" through the Adobe Photoshop !
This is fact, and was reaffirmed by Dinning in this article !
In October 1020 I will have in hand here, and publish a broad comparison between him 808, S4 Zoom, Note III (S800) and Xperia Z1 !
Thus proving that 1020 besides being less than 808, is also lower than the Samsung S4 Zoom, Note III and Z1 !!!
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Posted: 2013-09-18 00:25:37
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Ok if you want...the successor of the 920/925 with xenon flash and a similar 41mp oversampling and loss-less technique + ois.
I'm ok with that.
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Posted: 2013-09-18 00:27:18
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On 2013-09-18 00:25:37, Sonysta wrote:
In October 1020 I will have in hand here, and publish a broad comparison between him 808, S4 Zoom, Note III (S800) and Xperia Z1 !
Thus proving that 1020 besides being less than 808, is also lower than the Samsung S4 Zoom, Note III and Z1 !!!
No doubt you can "prove" that, easiest thing in the world, you simply take the worst photos from the 1020 to compare them with the best pictures from the other phones. Considering your posts here and on the Pureviewclub, nobody will believe, that you would seriously try to take good pics with the 1020.
And do you really expect people to believe in the honesty of your "results", when you're already announcing them weeks before you do that so-called "comparison"?
[ This Message was edited by: Marly on 2013-09-18 02:01 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-18 02:17:53
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On 2013-09-18 00:25:37, Sonysta wrote:
Dinning no longer working at Nokia, but still have interests there (such as return to work at Microsoft soon) !
I like this statement.. So you want us to doubt an expert's judgment for bias and trust a fanboy's one on a random online forum instead.. Specially that he backed up his argument with reasoning and a respectful career in the field of photography by mentioning certain facts from the Kodak vs Fuji times..
And I just shared this article to prove que 1020 is less than 808 in absolutely all situations and can only get quality images "PURE" through the Adobe Photoshop !
This is fact, and was reaffirmed by Dinning in this article !
I'm pretty certain Damian used plain and simple English to write that article!
In October 1020 I will have in hand here, and publish a broad comparison between him 808, S4 Zoom, Note III (S800) and Xperia Z1 !
Thus proving that 1020 besides being less than 808, is also lower than the Samsung S4 Zoom, Note III and Z1 !!!
Nice move to give us the result of this comparison in advance..
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2013-09-18 01:31 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-18 02:31:11
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On 2013-09-18 02:17:53, Marly wrote:
On 2013-09-18 00:25:37, Sonysta wrote:
In October 1020 I will have in hand here, and publish a broad comparison between him 808, S4 Zoom, Note III (S800) and Xperia Z1 !
Thus proving that 1020 besides being less than 808, is also lower than the Samsung S4 Zoom, Note III and Z1 !!!
No doubt you can "prove" that, easiest thing in the world, you simply take the worst photos from the 1020 to compare them with the best pictures from the other phones. Considering your posts here and on the Pureviewclub, nobody will believe, that you would seriously try to take good pics with the 1020.
And do you really expect people to believe in the honesty of your "results", when you're already announcing them weeks before you do that so-called "comparison"?
[ This Message was edited by: Marly on 2013-09-18 02:01 ]
I've written here and I will write... Honestly, do you think I write here to you ?
Honestly do you think I care about your opinions ?
Forget me !
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Posted: 2013-09-18 03:48:53
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On 2013-09-18 02:31:11, false_morel wrote:
On 2013-09-18 00:25:37, Sonysta wrote:
Dinning no longer working at Nokia, but still have interests there (such as return to work at Microsoft soon) !
I like this statement.. So you want us to doubt an expert's judgment for bias and trust a fanboy's one on a random online forum instead.. Specially that he backed up his argument with reasoning and a respectful career in the field of photography by mentioning certain facts from the Kodak vs Fuji times..
And I just shared this article to prove que 1020 is less than 808 in absolutely all situations and can only get quality images "PURE" through the Adobe Photoshop !
This is fact, and was reaffirmed by Dinning in this article !
I'm pretty certain Damian used plain and simple English to write that article!
In October 1020 I will have in hand here, and publish a broad comparison between him 808, S4 Zoom, Note III (S800) and Xperia Z1 !
Thus proving that 1020 besides being less than 808, is also lower than the Samsung S4 Zoom, Note III and Z1 !!!
Nice move to give us the result of this comparison in advance..
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2013-09-18 01:31 ]
And who said I want you to believe me ?
And who says I care about you ?
To you I am a fanboy, honestly you're nothing to me !
As for the comparison, I'm not doing for you or any other ... I will do for the Esato forum !
If you will see, if you will criticize, never mind... Again, honestly you're nothing to me !
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Posted: 2013-09-18 03:54:55
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So you'll do your "comparison" for Esato?
Do you think Esato members are so dumb, to be interested in such a baised "test", after reading, that you've already posted the result, weeks before you've even started your "comparison"?
[ This Message was edited by: TeeGee on 2013-09-18 04:16 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-18 04:46:54
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No, not again
please.
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Posted: 2013-09-18 06:12:00
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All you have to do is look at this and you can see who's the boss when it comes to imaging
Of course sensor technology, optics, and jpeg processing matter as well, but this is the essential part.
Sony are overachieving with the Z1 for sure... but that graph does give an idea as to why Nokia have been the leading force behind mobile imaging for the past 4 years or so.
source: http://www.allaboutsymbian.co[....]tphone_camera_sensor_sizes.php[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-09-18 17:43 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-18 18:36:59
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Thanks for sharing !
Nothing to question, only to supplement... "Digital Camera 808 Pureview (_____ABYSS_____) Digital Camera Lumia 1020, Xperia Z1, Galaxy S4 Zoom And Etc" !
P.S: Now fanboys shut up... Be quiet !!!
[ This Message was edited by: Sonysta on 2013-09-18 21:32 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-18 22:30:02
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