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i can tell you that in ALL arabic countries, we ALWAYS write the word as it should be. Guess we care. Doesn't take alot to show a bit of respect.
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Posted: 2005-07-21 13:03:13
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@amnesia
Please do not turn this thread into some petty squabble because you do not seem to understand the concept of Anglicisation. As I have repeatedly said there is no disrespect intended, it is merely a different custom than is used in your country.
Just as one may think it strange that a Japanese audience should sit in silence after a great performance, it is their custom. They do that to show that they thought the performance was good. It is not our way, but it is their's.
Similarly English often changes words. Now either accept that and stop creating a silly argument over absolutely nothing or simply don't post on the subject anymore.
Altering the spelling of words has happened in English for centuries. It is how English operates, it adopts words and makes them its own. Arabic countries may very well translate words literally, but English speaking countries tend not to, especially when the words come from languages, which do not use the Latin alphabet.
If disrespect was intended then I imagine that people would write Koran with a small 'k' as the communists used to do with religious words in the U.S.S.R. Taoism can be spelt as both Taoism and as Daoism, there is no disrespect intended in using one over the other, it is more a matter of, which is more popular with certain people. Different countries tend to prefer certain ways of writing things and so words take on those characteristics. If Arabic countries prefer direct translations then fine, no one is saying they shouldn't. However, some countries don't, they modify words to make them more recognisable and easier to pronounce.
Just because someone doesn't do something the way you think it should be done does not make it wrong. Isn't that part of what we have been learning about in this thread, to accept others' values and not to judge based on our own preconceptions?
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Posted: 2005-07-21 13:30:23
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Come on Boys, lets keep it clean
As verse 58 from Chapter 36 from the Holy Quran states:
"Peace!" - a word (of salutation) from a Lord Most Merciful!
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Posted: 2005-07-21 13:48:34
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@PeterKay
It is perfectly clean.
I think this is actually a key point in why people seem to find disrespect to their beliefs in so many ways. Most of the time disrespect really is not intended, it is more a case of cultural differences.
There are a fantastic array of different cultures throughout the world and many of them have very different ways of looking at things.
When I was in South Africa earlier this year I took a tour of Soweto. My driver was a smashing chap named Billy. Well actually he wasn't named Billy, that's just the thing. His real name was difficult for me to pronounce so he said that I should call him Billy instead because I could pronounce that more easily. I certainly tried to pronounce his name, but he understood that it was difficult for me. He understood that in using the sobriquet of Billy I was not being disrespectful towards him, rather I was not insulting him by constantly pronouncing his name ioncorrectly.
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Posted: 2005-07-21 14:30:12
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@scot,
It's not squabling when the topic is important to me.
If its important to me, you can be sure there are others that want the same thing.
Sometimes you're comments really aggrivate me since it seems like you are trying to force me to think a different way.
You have to remember the words already are in English.
So we've already written it for people to understand.
We dont write in English, so when we say Quraan, we've already ' anglicanized' it.
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Posted: 2005-07-21 15:06:19
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On 2005-07-21 15:06:19, amnesia wrote:
You have to remember the words already are in English.
So we've already written it for people to understand.
We dont write in English, so when we say Quraan, we've already ' anglicanized' it.
True. 100% agree with ya.
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Posted: 2005-07-21 15:10:37
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I dont think Scot's has ever forced an opinion on anyone, he is simply trying to show you that no disrespect is meant by the media when spelling things differant.
After all the more people that see/read that media the more customers they have, and the goal of any company is to have more customer's and thus more profit, it would be stupid of them to offend people.
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Posted: 2005-07-21 15:10:53
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@DJ, when someone calls what you have to say petty squable, then they're putting down your opinion.
He could have easily said something like
" at the moment people dont seem to know the language so well so the newspapers have tried to write the words so they can at least pronounce it correctly" and leave it at that.
Yes this was said before but why go into phonetics and the subject of how different countries write different things?
Of course French people might right it differently because their language is French.
The words that we provide are in English already, nothing needs to be changed except to help the people pronounce it correctly, but even with that the pronounciation is wrong.
As for regards to the media making profits thats a totally different subject all together. Just because they want to make money, it doesn't mean it's alright.
@Peter, seems like we're on the same page of understanding.
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Posted: 2005-07-21 15:16:37
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Same page and same level bruv
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Posted: 2005-07-21 15:18:08
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you know what i'm interested in?
I'm interested in hearing a Jew's opinion towards Muslims.
Both a modern westernized and traditional Jew.
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Posted: 2005-07-21 15:20:35
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