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-XYZ Posts: > 500


On 2014-09-23 16:26:54, xperiazultra wrote:

On 2014-09-23 15:52:59, -XYZ wrote:

On 2014-09-23 15:36:49, xperiazultra wrote:
Just needs to beat Note.


You're absolutely wrong. It needs to beat the Note and the iPhone 6+.
Not an easy task. Simply making a 6-inch Z3 isn't good enough.


ip6+ has no features making the big screen useful other than it is big. Note does that.


Thing is, the iPhone 6+ has Apple's patented reality distortion field surrounding it. People will want one over a note simply because its an Apple product, and Apple products are cool.

Competing anywhere in this market is difficult. The only way you can combat this, is by making excellent phones, with excellent hardware and software and making sure they are available in all markets at a price that is both reasonable, but also capable of delivering a delicious, healthy profit margin.
Media have already been spreading buzz about the Z3 and Z3c's astonishing battery performance, and how it lasts longer than any iPhone. People will see this and some, who aren't entirely dependant on the Apple brand, may turn around and give it a look. But it needs to be available (particularly in the US) in a timely manner.
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Posted: 2014-09-23 16:36:16
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xperiazultra Posts: 176


On 2014-09-23 16:36:16, -XYZ wrote:

On 2014-09-23 16:26:54, xperiazultra wrote:

On 2014-09-23 15:52:59, -XYZ wrote:

On 2014-09-23 15:36:49, xperiazultra wrote:
Just needs to beat Note.


You're absolutely wrong. It needs to beat the Note and the iPhone 6+.
Not an easy task. Simply making a 6-inch Z3 isn't good enough.


ip6+ has no features making the big screen useful other than it is big. Note does that.


Thing is, the iPhone 6+ has Apple's patented reality distortion field surrounding it. People will want one over a note simply because its an Apple product, and Apple products are cool.

Competing anywhere in this market is difficult. The only way you can combat this, is by making excellent phones, with excellent hardware and software and making sure they are available in all markets at a price that is both reasonable, but also capable of delivering a delicious, healthy profit margin.
Media have already been spreading buzz about the Z3 and Z3c's astonishing battery performance, and how it lasts longer than any iPhone. People will see this and some, who aren't entirely dependant on the Apple brand, may turn around and give it a look. But it needs to be available (particularly in the US) in a timely manner.


I agree. But you have to compete with Apple either way. I am trying to say is the phablet market is more available than others for Sony to make a big hit. Just my opinion. US market is crucial ofcourse apart from being big, all the big name media is there. So marketing without US is simply hard as hell. Well I will wait. But if I were to consider a normal sized phone 5-5.5 inches I would not pick Z3 in todays circumstances. By the way Sony should go with paypal too. Dominate the asian market with Samsung so that Apple pay does not succeed.
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Posted: 2014-09-23 16:58:57
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hihihans Posts: > 500

Thing is, the iPhone 6+ has Apple's patented reality distortion field surrounding it. People will want one over a note simply because its an Apple product, and Apple products are cool.

[ This Message was edited by: hihihans on 2014-09-23 16:44 ]

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Posted: 2014-09-23 17:41:59
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Wintermute Posts: 86

I'm not sure I'd agree that Sony needs to compete with Apple. I think Google needs to compete with Apple, but as far as Sony is concerned, they're competing with other Android OEMs. The reason is because most people's first decision is the OS they want. When they want a new phone, they first decide whether they want an Android or iOS device, and only then do they start comparing different models. If this weren't true, HTC and Sony would be the top two manufacturers, since both companies produce nicer hardware than Apple (my opinion). I don't think Sony is going to sway many Apple customers to switch regardless of how nice their hardware is. It's up to Google to make Android the best, most attractive OS it can be, and to gain enough mindshare to start turning Apple users.
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Posted: 2014-09-23 19:53:20
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yuunanase Posts: 291

Z Ultra is actually very successful here in Hong Kong after price drops. The current price is around €250, which is very well into the price of chinese manfacturers like redmi note. In fact, it is so popular, that I have seen Z Ultra more often than Note 3, or S5. This shows that if Sony could support these devices for a longer period instead of discontinuing it, they can easily make a profit out of that.
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Posted: 2014-09-23 20:20:11
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-XYZ Posts: > 500


On 2014-09-23 19:53:20, Wintermute wrote:
I'm not sure I'd agree that Sony needs to compete with Apple.


How can you not compete with Apple?

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Posted: 2014-09-23 21:58:05
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cu015170 Posts: > 500


On 2014-09-23 19:53:20, Wintermute wrote:
I'm not sure I'd agree that Sony needs to compete with Apple. I think Google needs to compete with Apple, but as far as Sony is concerned, they're competing with other Android OEMs. The reason is because most people's first decision is the OS they want. When they want a new phone, they first decide whether they want an Android or iOS device, and only then do they start comparing different models. If this weren't true, HTC and Sony would be the top two manufacturers, since both companies produce nicer hardware than Apple (my opinion). I don't think Sony is going to sway many Apple customers to switch regardless of how nice their hardware is. It's up to Google to make Android the best, most attractive OS it can be, and to gain enough mindshare to start turning Apple users.


Google does compete with Apple, and they do so very well.. by using OEMs like Sony and Samsung of course
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Posted: 2014-09-23 22:05:35
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Gitaroo Posts: > 500

I see a lot of people with Z ultra too, the phone at 400-500 USD is basically nexus level of pricing except for its premium built quality and screen and high end Soc. If Sony is looking at the post price drop sales as a success, they know that the large screen phone market is there then that explain those T2 Ultra and crap that came out after in 6". They set a minimum profit margin and then they are the a phone around the price, thats why non of the new one have specs even comparable to Z Ultra. If they are going to build another Z ultra like high end phone, its almost guaranteed that they will compromise the camera or something again for extra profit, and the phone will still be expensive as well. Its Sony afterall, they want to be like Nintendo and apple, where profitability is their number 1 priority. 5"+ level seems to be the only class they can be competitive in pricing and specs. Unlike those chinese company, they rather go for lower sales and higher profit per unit than larger sales and lower profit per unit. With devices like One plus one and even nexus being around theres no room for their mid end to survive.
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Posted: 2014-09-23 22:23:30
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Wintermute Posts: 86


On 2014-09-23 21:58:05, -XYZ wrote:

On 2014-09-23 19:53:20, Wintermute wrote:
I'm not sure I'd agree that Sony needs to compete with Apple.


How can you not compete with Apple?



Maybe try reading the rest of my post for the answer. It's in there.

But, in case you're too lazy, I'll spell it out again here: to make it very simple, you can TRY to compete with Apple, but as long as you're running Android, you're not doing it very effectively. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, those people who are looking to buy an Apple product are NOT looking at anything running Android. They exclude them at the very beginning when they decide they want iOS, or when they go with iOS because of all the money they've spent on iOS apps. A similar thing has prevented Microsoft from making any progress at all for the last 4 years with Windows Phone: it doesn't matter how good the hardware or software is, they just got in the game too late. By the time there was any decent WP hardware, everybody had already committed to either iOS or Android.
[ This Message was edited by: Wintermute on 2014-09-24 07:27 ]

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Posted: 2014-09-24 08:23:52
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ascariss Posts: > 500



Don't think Sony has a chance with Apple, they are the first to have a curved LCD. Sony will definitely have to add bending technology to their next flagship, it is the only way to compete. Damn

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Posted: 2014-09-24 10:20:58
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