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Doggman, don´t know about the Z8, i think they must make a special version (among s60 v3 there are different versions also), but i am sure P990 version will work on P1 and W960...and fring already said they would be supported
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Posted: 2007-07-06 13:22:51
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I'm not a huge power user and the P990i suited me fine, but was a little ram hungry. All I would like is a phone to have Exchange support, auto-focus camera, A2DP, and keyboard. The only phones that fit this bill right now are the P1 and E90. The P990i also fits, but I think the P1 will fix the ram problem and have a more readable screen in sunlight. Oh decisions...decisions.

Now no one else has anymore info on release date? Funny because other than the addition of cam and wifi, the P1 firmware should be somewhat stable now since they've been working a lot on the P990i. I can't believe they are taking so long to release it.....especially the last smartphone released by SE was last year.
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Posted: 2007-07-06 14:57:46
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Lol tnx fortheinfo, if it's similar price to that u said it will be really a hit.. Nice buisness phone with in that price+more than great desighn and small form factor..

I'm still bothering some latest WM6 device, P1 or W960.. The latest htc kaiser is quite a lot impressive.. hmmm
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Posted: 2007-07-06 16:06:12
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Dogman presents a VERY IMPORTANT POINT for ALL of us here. However, Fring is coming to the P990 ( http://forums.se-nse.net/inde[....]68a3d0f52b51c&showtopic=12268)

Marc,

Maybe then what we ALL want or need & hope for SE is to higher more ADEPT coders to the UIQ3 platform (not just Symbian in general). Even if their paying for Freelancers to do a collaborated job it would be incredible.

I wish to be able to stream Video/Audio to a compatible TV set like the NOkia (N80/N95/E61i/E90). I want that file (Bittorent/FTP) app thats free on S60 to be ported over to UIQ3. I'd like to be able to have more apps that are robust made by SE and other coders and NOT proprietary to a vendor like Motorola.

PS how long do you think it'll take Nokia - if they notice - to implement side scrolling information on missed calls, subjects of emails (even if its from BBConnect)!?? I bet no more than 3mths or less!

To be very honest I'm very surprised that UIQ3 isn't dead. and I LOVE what SE has done with the W960 (just peeved no GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 850mhz band as that is important to me - where I work now and were I will shortly).

Well we'll know how this goes. I personally may just get the P1i (November) but still unsure.

PS SonyEricsson > work with Denon or Gemini and make a nice interface for a mixer & software for this W960 as a DJ music source
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Posted: 2007-07-06 16:35:37
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Hi Prom1

People have me down as this tyrant that hates SE and forget that until last June virtually all my Data devices came from just one manufacturer well 2 if you include the morph to SE from Ericsson. In the early days of Mobile Data i was a strong supporter of Ericsson and was one of the reasons i used to be given Demo equipment and got involved in testing.

I really was horrified at what SE did in releasing UIQ3 in the state it was in especially after all the delays from the announcement. Whilst UIQ3 was different from UIQ2 this is still not a good enough reason or excuse IMO. This along with the total lack of communication and the time it took for each new firmware was just not acceptable IMO and why i started to look elsewhere for my devices.

The initial pictures of the new UIQ3 devices where indeed exciting but this soon disappeared once i realised that all the changes were mainly cosmetic. I still hoped to buy SE products but they ae not moving forward whilst everything and everyone else is. I just do not accept this argument of these things are not needed things are advancing and at an ever increasing rate both in terms of processing and graphics power and speed of delivery from the Networks and theses devices will be unable to take advantage of them within in their lifetime. They have Zero future proofing they are not even able to take advantage of what is already here now.

The next time we can expect new processors and improved spec's from SE is in the true P990 successor mid to late 2008. Buy that time Nokia and others will be using the OMAP3 processors and all that brings with it processor speeds of up to 1ghz and incredible audio and video abilities plus of course support for up to 7.2mbps HSDPA. Maybe by then SE will start catching up but it will need a huge jump to do it but until they do they leave me with no choice.

I also find this recent episode with SE where if they could of got away with it they would of been happy to of stopped support for the UIQ3 devices disgusting and actually unbelievable . Only due to the reactions and actions of their users were they forced to have a change of position and now all is forgiven by many and some even want to praise SE for this.

SE have lost me and many others as customers some may return but others won't and i don't think this will drastically effect SE either. Especially as they now appear to be concentrating on other market segments especially the Cybershot and Walkman ranges. I just long for the old days when Ericsson or even SE delivered exciting cutting edge devices that were guaranteed to be quality products.


Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-07-06 16:32 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-06 17:31:59
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Anyone fancy one of these for £520 delivered? Proto SE 123 on front and back. New, boxed with bits.
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Posted: 2007-07-06 17:38:35
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Doggman, do you, in all your wisdom, know the future specs of the P990 successor??? How can you say it will be inferior to any Nokia stuff at the time??? Why can´t it be opposite??? Jeez
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Posted: 2007-07-06 17:40:08
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I just think a lot of what Dogman is saying (repeatedly) misunderstands what SE have aimed for in their smartphones, and indeed why people have bought them in the past, and will continue to buy them. The P800, for example, was not the most cutting edge device of its time - there were faster PDAs and similar devices even then, some with more memory etc. As the P900 and P910 continued the line, there were many technology improvements that the P series completely ignored - for example 3G, which became widely available before the P910 came to market, and of course higher quality cameras - until the P990, the P series was stuck with the same old VGA affair, while everyone else moved on. And yet the P910 is still regarded now not as some dusty forgotten relic, but as the best smartphone on the market at that time, and for a good time afterwards (even, sadly, in comparison to its successor).

The P910 was little more than a refined P800 under the skin, throughly outdated at the time by Dogmann's standards, and beaten squarely by much of the competition on pure specs, but it still sold well, and is still the faithful companion of many people here and in business. Why? Because it's more than just the sum of its parts! It's a complete package, and an unbeatable package at the time of its release. So too will the P1 be - affordable, powerful enough, fast enough, with good battery life, small size, low weight, the list goes on. Like any phone the P1i will be a compromise, but if it gets the compromise right - as the P800, P900, and P910 did before it - then it will still be a winner.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2007-07-06 17:02 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-06 17:55:26
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@Ares

Why are you trying to put words in my mouth that i haven't said or even suggested what i said was

"Maybe by then SE will start catching up but it will need a huge jump to do it but until they do they leave me with no choice."

Which is no where near what you are suggesting i have said and seeing as SE currently use a 208mhz chip i don't see how you can argue with that for them to be of a similar spec will indeed require a huge jump that really isn't open to discussion it is a fact. I don't know what spec the P990 successor will have and am very interested to see and really hope it does come with the top of line processor available when launched as i f not i won't consider it.

If it does that's great but it will still be a huge jump from the current spec's used and that is the point i was making. These OMAP Series 3 chips should start appearing early next Year whilst the P990 is not due till mid to late 2008. I really had hoped that these new devices already launched had come with greatly improved spec's but they haven't much to my disappointment. I just don't want to wait till mid way through next year for improved spec i want them now hence my choice of current devices. I won't even buy another device with the current chip and will wait for the Series 3 chip to arrive for my next device. But as i currently have the most powerful processor and graphics array found in any Symbian device as well as HSDPA i can afford to wait.


@Boinng and all,

Please where i have i ever suggested or said that the P1 will not sell or be successful? as the simple answer is i haven't. All that i say and stand by is that it's spec is lacking for me and others and that is a fact. If you and others are happy to buy and use it great but for lot's of us the fact it could of been so much better and offered the things we want is a missed opportunity. That doesn't mean it's a bad device or rubbish just that for some of us it's not enough and is lacking in what we want. So freedom of choice means those of you that want it can buy it and those of us that don't won't. I really don't see the problem here unless you just believe we should all just buy SE irrespective of if it offers what we want. Well sorry i choose my devices by what they offer and how well they fulfil my needs and wants not by brand.

You see what i find really funny is i never say a product is terrible don't buy it all i do is point it's deficiencies from my perspective and any problems it may exhibit. Whilst others are happy to try and destroy products they have never touched just because it's not from SE every one should be free to choose what ever device suits them best as none are perfect but some are perfect for the individual user.

Marc


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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-07-08 12:40 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-06 18:13:26
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Guys, it's time to grow up.

Edit: This post was not intended in this thread which clearly contains valuable comments from respectable members - sorry for the mistake!

[ This Message was edited by: Lisa@CPS on 2007-07-08 15:59 ]
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Posted: 2007-07-06 20:55:00
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