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I thing it's more easy to make good pictures with the nokia you talk about...SE Cyber-shot Phones are made for the specialist, Nokia are made for silly people lol
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Posted: 2007-11-30 20:20:56
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On 2007-11-30 19:55:31, JiSm wrote:
So, being that these digital focus cameras are completely software determined, I am going to hold onto the idea that a new firmware will make the K850 a Nokia slayer! Time will tell... I shudder to think about N82 update firmware... That will be another thread I guess.
c'mon SE! You can do it! We are counting on you to not only defend your mobile technology, but your Sony Camera technology is at stake here too!
They are playing marketing here dude. Didn't SE Japan announced a cybershot with 3x optical zoom and using Exmor sensors (used in Alpha 700 DSLR)?? I hope that its quality is on par with normal digital cameras. And Sony might not be at stake for qualities form camera phones are still not there yet, lets hope this Japanese phone live up to SE's name. It has ISO settings up till 1600!!!~~~ AND lets hope next line of cybershot phones has this quality xD
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Posted: 2007-11-30 20:22:39
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On 2007-11-30 20:22:39, tai020381 wrote:
They are playing marketing here dude. Didn't SE Japan announced a cybershot with 3x optical zoom and using Exmor sensors (used in Alpha 700 DSLR)?? I hope that its quality is on par with normal digital cameras. And Sony might not be at stake for qualities form camera phones are still not there yet, lets hope this Japanese phone live up to SE's name. It has ISO settings up till 1600!!!~~~ AND lets hope next line of cybershot phones has this quality xD
Although I wouldn't put too much weight on the fact the the DSLR-A700 uses the same
type of sensor, as the
size of the sensor makes a huge difference. (Larger sensor captures more light. Same reason why an astronomer prefers larger telescopes before smaller!) The DSLR-A700 has a sensor of roughly 1.8 inches while for example the K850i only as 1/2.8 inches. That's about 16 times larger sensor and 16 times more sensitivity to light!
Having said that, I think it's a very encouraging sign when a camera phone allows an ISO setting of 1600. That
should mean very good pictures at lower ISO speeds.
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Posted: 2007-11-30 22:05:13
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On 2007-11-30 22:05:13, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2007-11-30 20:22:39, tai020381 wrote:
They are playing marketing here dude. Didn't SE Japan announced a cybershot with 3x optical zoom and using Exmor sensors (used in Alpha 700 DSLR)?? I hope that its quality is on par with normal digital cameras. And Sony might not be at stake for qualities form camera phones are still not there yet, lets hope this Japanese phone live up to SE's name. It has ISO settings up till 1600!!!~~~ AND lets hope next line of cybershot phones has this quality xD
Although I wouldn't put too much weight on the fact the the DSLR-A700 uses the same
type of sensor, as the
size of the sensor makes a huge difference. (Larger sensor captures more light. Same reason why an astronomer prefers larger telescopes before smaller!) The DSLR-A700 has a sensor of roughly 1.8 inches while for example the K850i only as 1/2.8 inches. That's about 16 times larger sensor and 16 times more sensitivity to light!
Having said that, I think it's a very encouraging sign when a camera phone allows an ISO setting of 1600. That
should mean very good pictures at lower ISO speeds.
@Abu
How do we measure sensor sizes btw?
i believe SO905iCS has greatly larger sensor than K850. with Sony's innovative lens architecture. imagine something like how we differentiate Canon A460 and Sony T7 - while the former which is bigger, thicker and had external zoom lens only has 1/3.0" sensor while the slimmer(or should i say the slimmest compact camera) yet smaller T7 which zooms internally has 1/2.5" sensor. even the top-of-the-line fashion high-end cybershot T200 which has 5x internal optical zoom has a bigger 1/2.5" sensor than A460. in the case of SO905iCS, which is even thicker alot than K850 and longer than N95, i came to conclude that the internal zoom lens focal length of it makes more space for a larger sensor size than any of the two camfones as well. note: i know i'm comparing a low-end to high-end camera here(as we all know high-end has more innovations, more possibilities and better technology) but i just want to make some perception on how sony could address sensor sizes without making bulkiness on the half of the phone's dimensions
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Posted: 2007-12-01 01:55:58
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here is another galore (13 pages in all) of photo comparo of N82, N95, K850, G600, LG viewty:-
http://publish.it168.com/2007/1129/20071129000401.shtml
Yet another comparo which shows K850 photos didnt perform that well at all against all the other 5Mp camphone....sigh
[edit] Viewed at full-size, K850 photos are so "flat" (i.e dont show depth very well) compared to N95 and N82.
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2007-12-01 02:45 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-01 03:20:45
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On 2007-12-01 01:55:58, razec wrote:
@Abu
How do we measure sensor sizes btw?
If you know the focal length, then you take a photo of something you know the dimensions of and then use basic trigonometry to calculate the sensor size. The best is of course if you already know the sensor type and size:
K850: Sony IMX020 1/2.8" CMOS sensor
N95: Micron Technology MT9P001 1/2.5" CMOS sensor
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Posted: 2007-12-01 10:32:54
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@mib Nice one bud. That should rest the case even for a harden SE freak
Sony are a shadow of what they used to be - I wonder for how much longer they can fool people around with the glorious brandname and past.
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Posted: 2007-12-02 06:08:30
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DarKMaGiCiaN Posts: > 500
@mib1800
another galore wow thanks for this link
I found lots of things
in the first page check the color of the sky (( in K850 , N82 and N92 ))
On 2007-11-27 14:54:35, Dextrr wrote:
On 2007-11-27 09:50:39, plankgatan wrote:
Nice PURPLE sky! Matches the roof of the house! I wish I lived where plank lives and have purple/pink sky instead of blue, that would be quite co0l!! lolllz
cleared ^_*
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in page 6 ceck the third pics
On 2007-11-28 13:58:35, mib1800 wrote:
I dont remember McD sign to be so PINK. So color reproduction of K850 is really good eh?
ehehe at least it is better than N95 & N82
cleared ^_*
[ This Message was edited by: DarKMaGiCiaN on 2007-12-02 20:28 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-02 21:27:44
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all these pictures prove is that N95 sucks on detail, and K850 pics have too much blue in them (hence the purple reds).
We all know this. But look at these cut's below at full size and you will see why I don't take the N95 that seriously:
N95:
K858:
The lack of detail cannot be recovered. The K850 pics however can be colour corrected.
Sure the N95 pictures may print better at 4x6 without retouching, but try and print a pic like the N95 pic above at any sort of decent size, and it will just look like crap.
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Posted: 2007-12-03 00:22:32
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max wedge i agree with you.
in the past the problem was if n95 is better than k800(5mp vs 3mp) and now it's between n95 and k850 (5mp vs 5mp). now lets be serious, if n95 was compared with a 3mp camera how the hell can now win against a 5mp camera?
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Posted: 2007-12-03 01:03:25
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