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no, i'm simply saying that if police were attacked in this way, then that is what they would do. fair enough if they want to protest, and maybe they were right too, the soldiers were there to keep the peace and make sure nothing got out of hand and violent, which is quite ironic yes, but there was no need to chuck ""!bricks, stones, petrol bombs and home made grenades!"" at the soldiers was there. yes i agree the soldiers delt with the kids the wrong way, but they couldn't just stand there, surely there was another solution... it was not right to do this the the kids, but if you've ever seen riot police, yes they do drag them away, hit them with battons and kick them etc.
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Posted: 2006-02-15 00:27:48
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On 2006-02-15 00:27:48, Xugaa wrote:
no, i'm simply saying that if police were attacked in this way, then that is what they would do. fair enough if they want to protest, and maybe they were right too, the soldiers were there to keep the peace and make sure nothing got out of hand and violent, which is quite ironic yes, but there was no need to chuck \"\"!bricks, stones, petrol bombs and home made grenades!\"\" at the soldiers was there. yes i agree the soldiers delt with the kids the wrong way, but they couldn't just stand there, surely there was another solution... it was not right to do this the the kids, but if you've ever seen riot police, yes they do drag them away, hit them with battons and kick them etc.
The people of iraq are fed up of seeing american and british troops on their streets,we in the west don't get to see even half of what really goes on there,..the truth is far from what you see on the news.in other words its much much worse..the iraqi's have had enough and are fighting back and believe they have every right,its there country after all,if they choose to throw rocks at the troops then they have every right to do so..we should'nt be there in the first place!...in those situations where you get riots you simply disperse the crowd and make an exit,after all its the troops who are armed to the teeth not the little children....and im sorry but i dont know exatly what riots your refering to but you dont get the police drag away children to beat them with sticks and battons...they were children for gods sake..not adults!...and if the troops were only trying to do there job then why did they bring them inside the compound hidden from public view,...that basically says they were trying to cover it all up!...the commentry in the background said everything!
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Posted: 2006-02-15 00:43:07
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yeah fair enough i agree, they should NOT have done this to children, and i know that this was not a riot and the people of iraq have every right to be annoyed at us. sorry if that sounded wrong but, by using riot police, not normal police, i was just trying to say that what they did to the children was only what RIOT police do to adults, so there was nothing they did that was wrong or too far in terms of violence, i agree very much with you that it should not have been done to the children and they should have gone a diifernt way about it. also although i am not justifying the violence from the soldiers, people need to understand why the soldiers did what they did, to understand the situation better and how to solve it. the children were not just chucking stones, but what the video did not show is that they were also chucking, yes the children, bricks (bigger stones - just a tad), petrol bombs and homemade grenades!
quote: and if the troops were only trying to do there job then why did they bring them inside the compound hidden from public view,...that basically says they were trying to cover it all up!...the commentry in the background said everything!
its obvious, although they chose to do the wrong thing, doing it in front of everyone would have just caused more bigger problems, for instance the other adults children may have reacted which could have led to even more injuries perhaps death. personally i believe and factual information, it has been proven that the guy behind the camera and another guy connected with him (not shown or heard in video) hence the two guys arrested, and the soldiers doing it were nothing to do with each other, he was just some sad sadistic sicko with nothing better to do.
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Posted: 2006-02-15 00:50:33
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On 2006-02-15 00:50:33, Xugaa wrote:
although i am not justifying the violence from the soldiers, people need to understand why the soldiers did what they did, to understand the situation better and how to solve it. the children were not just chucking stones, but what the video did not show is that they were also chucking, yes the children, bricks (bigger stones - just a tad), petrol bombs and homemade grenades!
To me it just sounds like you are trying to justify it....your contradicting yourself,don't matter what they were throwing,petrol bombs whatever their is no grounds for justification for this kind of behavior..period!
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Posted: 2006-02-15 00:57:47
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sorry if it all came out wrong, i agree with you very much so. i just believe trying to see another side of something and not only seeing one argument/side/view point can help sort out and deal with a situation.
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Posted: 2006-02-15 01:04:41
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At the end of the day they're in the country, the army men themselves dont want to be there, the people don't want them to be there, the people of Iraq dont want them to be there.
Now if the Iraqi's went to the US or UK and started doing that to the army men, it'd be another scenario, but even then, the action of the army is wrong.
Even if all of the men were untrained as some said, there must be a leader right? That leader MUST have been trained properly since he's the leader after all. Shouldnt HE have stopped them or showed them the right way?
Simple As.
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Posted: 2006-02-15 02:20:13
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Yes.. Was a despicable act and theres no excusing it. However ... In Combat zones around the world such things do happen... Its not limited to just Iraq or the middle east.. I know from experience of what happens in such situations.. Ive had to deal with keeping my troops alive and that they didnt do such things.. But not all officers keep as strict of discipline as I did and as result such incidents regretably happen.. I never condoned such acts .. And am trying hard to forget alot of what I saw during
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Posted: 2006-02-15 07:45:00
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My time serving the Crown.. And now why I try and speak out against the stupidity and brutality of humanity toward each other instead of learning to talk things out and learn as human beings.. Now if you will excuse me must go and take the meds for my nerves.. And try to erase the nightmares.. Going to be a very bad day. The soldiers should be court martialed and imprisoned .
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Posted: 2006-02-15 07:52:00
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can i ask which war or deployment you were involved in please?
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Posted: 2006-02-15 08:00:51
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On 2006-02-15 02:20:13, amnesia wrote:
At the end of the day they're in the country, the army men themselves dont want to be there, the people don't want them to be there, the people of Iraq dont want them to be there.
Now if the Iraqi's went to the US or UK and started doing that to the army men, it'd be another scenario, but even then, the action of the army is wrong.
Even if all of the men were untrained as some said, there must be a leader right? That leader MUST have been trained properly since he's the leader after all. Shouldnt HE have stopped them or showed them the right way?
Simple As.
if only life were that simple you tell people not to do something and they dont. humans are just that humans sometimes we listen sometimes we dont.
i m sure many religions and religious leader have told there young followers how to behave correctly yet we still see people from all religions going against the rules
its part of life and this situation no matter how horrible once it had started was only going to stop once thise invovled chose to stop. sad but true
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Posted: 2006-02-15 09:40:12
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