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^ the rationale is..
You can't help who you fall in love with.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 18:29:36
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I can understand where you coming from in the physical sense, but like fatreg say's you can't help who you fall in love with, so very very true.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 18:38:06
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A) Gay men are at higher risk of rectum cancer
Yeah, and we're at a lower risk of unwanted pregnancy, tit for tat.
B)If it was natural to use the anal passage for sexual intercourse, why is it then that the anal muscles react so badly in causing haemorrhoids, and flatulence.
I'll give you that one, but like fatreg and his 'wifey' (
) have said, you can't help who you fall in love with.
C)Gay men are at higher risk of HIV and STI's
Thats really more down to the lifestyle than the act of it. My boyfriend and I are pretty much risk free in that area, both not using illegal substances and both only sleeping with each other. And we're certainly not alone. The somewhat stereotypical image of a gay mans lifestyle seems to come into play sometimes, which isn't good.
D)If the anal passage was meant for sexual intercourse then surely it would not also be used for excreting the mostly deadly toxins out of our body. I am sure many gay men can tell you stories of yeast infections and the like.
Again, can't help who you fall in love with, but why does every sexual act need 'rationale'? I mean god if sex (straight or gay) was meant to be rational we'd all be the most boring bunch of bastards there ever was lol
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Posted: 2008-05-23 18:46:33
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But then if that is the case should we not be dealing with the mental state of the person? Because if I quote what you said you can't help who you fall in Love with, then if people like the Man in Austria that caged his daughter because he fell in "Love" with her are allowed to have such thoughts then it might be a problem.
I think we all agree that sometimes its not LOVE but more so LUST. I dont claim to be an expect on the subject and I am not saying that Gay people are mentally disturbed NO. I just think that if the male body was designed for penetration then it would have been so from the start.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 18:47:17
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Difference is, incest is illegal, being gay certainly is not.
I have every god given right (I use that term loosley, given the nature of the thread lol) to be with my boyfriend, whom I love dearly and if I choose to sleep with him then so be it.
Nobody, not the law, not the 'lord' (for a start, WTF is he going to do, talk about empty promises
), anyone, is allowed to stop that.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 18:52:09
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On 2008-05-23 18:20:50, themarques wrote:
On 2008-05-23 16:34:33, fatreg wrote:
PEOPLE, I DIDN'T OPEN THIS AS A DEBATE OVER RELIGION, I JUST WANTED TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND THE HOMOPHOBIA
thank you.
Thats fair enough, but I am still waiting on an intellectual answer to my question from anyone in the know. Il summarise it again hopefully someone will answer it this time.
If homosexuality and in this I refer to gay men, was meant to be natural why is it that:
A) Gay men are at higher risk of rectum cancer
B)If it was natural to use the anal passage for sexual intercourse, why is it then that the anal muscles react so badly in causing haemorrhoids, and flatulence.
C)Gay men are at higher risk of HIV and STI's
D)If the anal passage was meant for sexual intercourse then surely it would not also be used for excreting the mostly deadly toxins out of our body. I am sure many gay men can tell you stories of yeast infections and the like.
Once again not bashing but trying to find the rationale.
Themarques.
I honestly don't get your point. What you have said is very true. It is not natural, however what is a fact of nature, is that some people are born with a mind that triggers them to be attracted to the same sex. It may be harmful for their bodies to participate in sexual act the same way as a man or a woman, we all know that, but why does any one care?
The sad fact of life is this. Although we have advanced technologicaly, the truth is this. The human race has not matured.
What do I mean by this? Well look at the ancient Greek and Roman socity. You were judged by class and persona. It was not unusual for people to be gay, they were respected as citizens of the community. Gays were accepted and respected for their rights. There was homosexual leaders in both socites, and no one cared, because they were human beings.
However, now lets look at modern day examples. Words such as "queer" and "faggot" are used as insults and people laugh and shame homosexuals. Would these homophobic bastards laugh at a disabled person? As a community, people should be respected on who they are, and not on their beliefs, gender or orientation.
The points I just raised, really question wether or not the human race has evolved on its views on EACHOTHER. And the sooner we can respect eathother, the sooner we can develop as a civilisation. As a community.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 19:02:37
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It may be harmful for their bodies to participate in sexual act the same way as a man or a woman, we all know that, but why does any one care?
Well I certainly care for the reason like you would care if someone was self harming themselves ie cutting their wrists and abusing drugs. I think what you say that as a race we havent matured is incorrect, because if you look back to ancient times alot of those dudes went on to die of some serious STI's.
I think society is more aware of the damage that can be caused to our bodies hence why they are doing PAP test's for gay men now to lessen the risk of cancer.
On 2008-05-23 18:52:09, Daedalus85 wrote:
Difference is, incest is illegal, being gay certainly is not.
Nobody, not the law, not the 'lord' (for a start, WTF is he going to do, talk about empty promises
), anyone, is allowed to stop that.
Question for you, who made incest illegal? and why? it goes back to the question of pick and choose what law we want to follow. Just incase you forgot the Bible was the first law Leviticus 18:6 that says
"No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD."
So it goes back to the pick and mix of the bible as people want though it clearly tells you that you cant lay with another man, but yet that law is not passed (well it is in some countries)
And my final verse 1 Corinthians 6:12 (Use your bodies for God's Glory) Someone will say "I am allowed to do anything" Yes but not everything is good for you. I could say that I am allowed to anything, but I am not going to let anything make me its slave. 19. You do not belong to yourselves but to God: He bought you for a price. So use your bodies for God's Glory.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 19:13:10
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I think when he says we haven't matured he means in the sense of our opinions and attitudes towards people regarding, race, gender, religion and sexual orientation rather than anything else.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 19:16:09
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Dont think I agree with this satement.
C)Gay men are at higher risk of HIV and STI's
Surely anyone that spleeps around not using protection, is likely to catch the above, wether you are Gay or Straight.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 19:27:41
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On 2008-05-23 19:27:41, pmerryman wrote:
Dont think I agree with this satement.
C)Gay men are at higher risk of HIV and STI's
Surely anyone that spleeps around not using protection, is likely to catch the above, wether you are Gay or Straight.
Studies have been conducted, the reason is that rectum wall is very thin causing it to bleed much easily compared to a vaginal lining. Studies have also shown that the mucus produced by a woman helps in the reduction of HIV (not STIs) so it is correct to say that gay men are at higher risk.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 19:32:26
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