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I wouldn't say Apple have a monopoly given that there are plenty of other choices in the market, but its clear that they have an easy and a somewhat irresistable marketable offering to the devices that are compatible
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Posted: 2009-02-02 23:03:28
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And don't forget that PlayNowArena plus is on its way. I read it could come with a never-ending contract too.
This message was posted from a K850i
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Posted: 2009-02-02 23:09:58
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Alot of people here don't seem to 'get' what the iPhone is about or why it's so successful. And because they don't understand the reasons for its success they think there must be 'brainwashing' and 'hype' and 'lies' blinding poor unsuspecting consumers. There is no such thing, just enthusiam en-masse for a product which appeals to them.
Looking at the iPhone's spec is pointless. It doesn't even match my V640i in many areas as I pointed out before I bought an iPhone 3G 8GB last year.
It's the whole package - Hardware, Firmware, UI, Sync Software, Online Shop/App Shop and most importantly the Business Case which works not only for Apple, but the Networks, the Content Providers on iTunes (music, video), the App Developers and their clients, and the consumers.
The features that are missing are missing for a reason - BT file transfer clashes with Apple wanting to sell music through iTunes. Video recording and high quality camera is unnecessary because the target market already has a digi cam and video camera. There's no modem because the target market mostly doesn't use one anyway.
SE started a spec race with the K750i/W800i but lost out to Nokia since the N95. The iPhone is not about hardware specs. It's about providing a platform to deliver services which make Apple and its licensed partners money. After all who wants to be in business and not make money (except for Motorola?). The services add value to the device and makes it more appealing to the consumer over time. Smart planning not just smart marketing.
That's why it started off ahead of the competition in style and UI and has moved on to trounce the opposition to the point it is now years ahead. Years of software and hardware development. Years of corporate policy changes and industry negotiations.
Upping the specs won't help the other manufacturers, they need a new software platform and SDK, sync software, an online shop, an App shop, to convince Developers to participate, to convince consumers to buy and do it all while not looking like they are following Apple's lead. Frankly, any company that tries to follow in Apple's footsteps is doomed to fail. It'll cost too much and come out looking second best.
The iPhone and iTunes limitations annoy me but it works for Apple, the networks and other businesses. Therefore, we now have a device that causes networks to take mobile data seriously for the first time.
We now have a device that allows Developers to create really cool Apps and make money off them; my local bank has an iPhone App which allows me to pay all my bills from the iPhone and transfer between my accounts. Banks just don't take Java based mobile banking seriously - the iPhone has woken the mainstream corporate world to the possibilites of new communication avenues with consumers. We are actually at the place that smartphones have always promised but never delivered, where mobile communication is easy and totally integrated into your life.
And not just the Banks, News websites are set up for the iPhone, Youtube never looked so good, the Games are awesome as are the Utilities Apps which I use alot.
Normally, a groundbreaking phone comes out and is copied or overtaken fairly soon. But the iPhone has been out for 18 months (since the original 2G model) and is further ahead than ever with no sign the other manufacturers are even on the right path to compete with it.
The Nokia 5800 Xpress Music is a nice piece of hardware but without the iTunes Shop/App Shop its just a fancy phone which will soon be bettered.
Again, the iPhone is not just a phone but a package designed for a target market. It's irritating at times but mostly is utterly addictive and gets better every day.
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Posted: 2009-02-03 11:25:16
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The iPhone is the best example of advertising power winning out over function I have ever seen.
I tried one for a week apart from an "Eye Candy" UI it offers NOTHING new
were making touch screen phones years ago yet you would think Apple invented the touch screen they way they and their sheep like followers carry on.
My new Nokia 5800 is so far ahead of the iPhone its untrue, and boy oh boy am I glad I realised the X1 was just a hyped up device with an old OS before wasting any money on it.
I have to say if Apple can con 10 million people into buying the iPhone we had all better watch out if they decide to go into politics, seems to me they are well on the way to cracking the method for "fooling all the people all of the time"
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Posted: 2009-02-03 14:26:05
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yawn
someone lock this thread it's getting boring.
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Posted: 2009-02-03 14:31:27
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I'm pretty sure it's not the iPhone users who have their eyes closed, let's leave it at that...
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Posted: 2009-02-03 15:01:56
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Its kinda amazing how someone can post such ignorant points after such a clear explanation by catkitter. Iīll repeat my words. The iphone came to show the market that is not about the number of functions but the implementation of these functions that matters. Putting up long specs list is just an outdated way of attractiong customers that in the long run is harmful both to consumers and manufactures. You gotta have a clear and useful concept behind the software/hardware otherwise itīs just pointless and silly.
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Posted: 2009-02-03 20:32:37
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As someone mentioned earlier in this thread the sheer amounf of attention the iphone recieves is indicitive of just how good it is and just how envious others are of it. I guess iphone owners can take it as a compliment.
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Posted: 2009-02-04 00:11:02
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It's just that these days it's Apple's turn in the spotlight. When they become too big like the you-know-who of the mobile phone industry, would be interesting to see what happens then. An interesting point of fact is that by having zillions of customers, any kind of manufacturer would be put to the test of whether they have outstanding (or crap) customer service. So far they've done pretty well.
Personally I still prefer non-touch phones myself, I have too much grub on my thumbs!
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Posted: 2009-02-04 15:21:07
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On 2009-02-03 20:32:37, SloopJohnB wrote:
Its kinda amazing how someone can post such ignorant points after such a clear explanation by catkitter. Iīll repeat my words. The iphone came to show the market that is not about the number of functions but the implementation of these functions that matters. Putting up long specs list is just an outdated way of attractiong customers that in the long run is harmful both to consumers and manufactures. You gotta have a clear and useful concept behind the software/hardware otherwise itīs just pointless and silly.
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Ignorant? My opinion is just as valid as catkillers, it just depends if your gullible enough to have taken Apples bait or not
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Posted: 2009-02-04 16:12:58
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