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I can imagine the heated scenes in the Apple boardroom now.

"What do you mean, jj03 said no?!"

The 3G S will doubtless be landfill in the morning.

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Posted: 2009-06-09 16:27:11
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The iPhone could have a great UI and be so cool but when they announced the new 3GS version with highlight features MMS support, 3MP camera and video recording it made me laugh a bit. Anyway we have to say that they can sell their product damnly well... and the apps are so good too...
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Posted: 2009-06-09 18:30:20
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Makes you wonder whether you've missed the part when they talked about the alarm clock feature.
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Posted: 2009-06-09 18:32:32
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Whoa an alarm?! Must. Stop. Compelling. Thought. Of. Buying! Seriously though the only good thing out of it is the software. Otherwise its so, so, 2006.
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Posted: 2009-06-09 19:30:48
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I wouldn't bother reading Gizmodo if they were the last tech site on Earth. Too much Apple-therapy...

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Posted: 2009-06-09 20:00:42
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@Boinng
As much as I respect you (and Apple), we have to admit that the 3GS doesn't really bring anything new to the table...
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Posted: 2009-06-10 01:15:24
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Oh, only about 5-6 times that Apple has for the fruitphone.

It makes no sense in asking SE or Nokia to change their UI just because Apple did something. SE and Nokia have millions of customers who stick to the brand because of their familiarity with the device. (Partly the reason why i don't see too many long term Samsung or LG users around. They keep changing their UI every now and then and the sales they get are purely due to excellent contract deals and superior hardware. Again, not a bad strategy for now, but who knows how it will work out in the long term?). It's only been a few years since Apple came up with this UI. How can you say without a shadow of a doubt that people would still love it 5 years down the line? There are lots of people who still prefer the quick navigation offered by numpad shortcuts or the convenience that a proper status screen offers (Which every true smartphone has). Who knows? The iPhone could be the next RAZR, even.

We use both OS X and Windows at work for professional CG use and let me tell you, beneath all that eye candy, OS X really makes life hard when it comes to getting shit done. Even for programs for which we have licenses for both platforms, we find ourselves using the Windows one more because it is just more productive. That's not a personal opinion, but the combined opinion of an entire design house headed by a die hard Apple fan, no less.

That opinion pretty much sums up the iPhone UI too, IMO.

Jesus Diaz (The author of that article) has those opinions simply because of a lack of familiarity with the platforms. the A200 in the W995 is a LOT different from the T68i he used all the way back, just like how Vista is a lot different from Windows 95, even though they have a start button and similar icons on the desktop. Also because he considers the dumbphones expensive, which they are not on a contract. The iPhone is horribly expensive SIM free and one REALLY needs to think twice before buying one that way.
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Posted: 2009-06-10 04:54:42
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Did you make that figure up, or research it? If it's true, that's actually pretty damning for SE. They're a long established manufacturer of a huge range of phones desiged for every pocket... Apple make one very expensive premium device, launched only two years ago. Are their sales really as much as a fifth of SE's already? Imagine what would happen if they sold more than one phone...



So how about changing their UI because their market share is falling, brand loyalty is dissapearing, and they desperately need to reconnect with their customers?

Put it this way, we all know that SE phones beat products like the iPhone on many features - better camera, better bluetooth, yada yada, they tick all the boxes, and yet they're losing sales, and not just to Apple but to other more progressive brands like Samsung and LG as well. So what is it that SE need to do better, if not the one thing which doesn't get improved and uprated every year/model/iteration - the UI?



So why is SE making a massive loss? Why is their market share falling?



Come now - it's a fact that LG and Samsung haven't had great UIs in the past, they've generally been inferior versions of SE's/Nokias since they've both had a practice of copying the market leaders. These days they're not copying SE or Nokia anymore - they're copying Apple, and they're stealing users from both SE and Nokia as a result. Aren't they?



I can't, nobody can, but then nobody is suggesting for a second that Apple should never change or improve on their UI, they just have an advantage right now in that their's is relatively new, still innovative and reasonably unique, and still seemingly engaging many users. Would you really not like those same things to be true of SE's interface?



The iPhone could be the next Girls Aloud, who cares, it's irrelevant here. Whatever happens in the future, right now the iPhone's doing something right, and SE are doing something wrong. If Apple don't respond to changing demands then of course they could go the same way as Motorola, but SE? That's already happening.
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Posted: 2009-06-10 18:22:39
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The fact that the iphone is selling so well has much to owe to its carriers. In india the iphone costs around 700$s which is insane and has less than .01% of the total share.
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Posted: 2009-06-10 18:26:32
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If Apple has around 1% of the market share and SE around 6% I think you can make qualified guess.

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Posted: 2009-06-10 18:50:50
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