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@Dogmann:
I mix music professionally. I won't argue with you.
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Posted: 2008-11-03 02:29:51
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@WhyBe
OK so please explain why if as you claim Music is mixed flat that different artist's use different producers to have different sounds and all these producers get paid large fees and or points for there work then? If after all you claim Music is mixed flat and is left for the user to adjust via EQ then how come records all sound exactly the same when played by different Radio stations all across the world? or do they all just manage to choose the same EQ settings and this happens by magic then?
I have been around people in the Music industry for many years when i was younger and everything from people working in publishing through to artists i have also spent plenty of time in recording studios to whilst final mixes take place. Not once have i ever come across anyone doing a final mix and making it flat for the user to use EQ on to get the desired sound.
So if you are working in the Music industry and really believe that artists and producers mix Music flat for people to then use EQ to get the best sound well I'm stunned and would love to know just what you do?unless of course your Dr Dre!!!
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-11-03 01:56 ]
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Posted: 2008-11-03 02:55:53
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On 2008-11-03 02:55:53, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
OK so please explain why if as you claim Music is mixed flat that different artist's use different producers to have different sounds and all these producers get paid large fees and or points for there work then? If after all you claim Music is mixed flat and is left for the user to adjust via EQ then how come records all sound exactly the same when played by different Radio stations all across the world? or do they all just manage to choose the same EQ settings and this happens by magic then?
I have been around people in the Music industry for many years when i was younger and everything from people working in publishing through to artists i have also spent plenty of time in recording studios to whilst final mixes take place. Not once have i ever come across anyone doing a final mix and making it flat for the user to use EQ on to get the desired sound.
So if you are working in the Music industry and really believe that artists and producers mix Music flat for people to then use EQ to get the best sound well I'm stunned and would love to know just what you do?unless of course your Dr Dre!!!
Flat means an even frequency response across the audio spectrum (from 20Hz to 20000Hz). If you were to look at a "flat" mix on a spectrum analyzer, you would see a relatively flat line going across (not completely flat but relatively). This ensures proper Signal to Noise ratio and RMS levels on the recording medium. It also allows cheap consumer equipment (stuff most people listen to music on) to faithfully reproduce the mix. In the professional world "flat" is not a bad word.
The reason you think all radio stations sound the same is because your ears are not trained
Different radio stations sound differently to me. I can probably tell you what type of EQ curve each station is using just by listening. If you listen closely to two stations playing the same song, and switch back and forth, you would hear that they actually sound different. One may sound warmer or clearer than the other (assuming clear reception).
There is the recording , the mixing, the mastering and the playback stages. All of these stages use EQ. EQ is used to get the best sound for THAT particular stage in the process.
I'm trying to keep it simple. This could get really technical and lengthy.
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Posted: 2008-11-03 03:13:17
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@Doggman,
WhyBe is right. You want everything as flat as possible. This gives the truest reproduction of the original source.
Wikipedia wrote:
The goal of equalization is to correct, or make equal, the frequency response of a signal
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Ideally, a sound system would produce a flat frequency response. The frequency response of a room is examined with a Spectrum analyzer and usually a graphic equalizer, with matching frequency bands, is used to compensate for the room acoustics. This is standard practice for sound recording studios, live sound reinforcement systems and some High fidelity sound systems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization[ This Message was edited by: l337h1um on 2008-11-03 02:36 ]
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Posted: 2008-11-03 03:30:27
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On 2008-11-03 03:30:27, l337h1um wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:
The goal of equalization is to correct, or make equal, the frequency response of a signal.
That's correct but misleading because it only states one use of an EQ. EQ's have many uses. On the professional side it is also used to shape the tonality of a sound...making the sound
incorrect, so to speak! This (along with other tools) is what gives different sounds and instruments their "personality".
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Posted: 2008-11-03 03:36:03
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Sorry WhyBe, I wasn't finished. I have a nasty habit of posting stuff I'm not finished with and editing it two minutes later.
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Posted: 2008-11-03 03:37:21
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^^ Me too
I just read the entire Wiki article. They eventually stated the point I was making. My response was based just on the first line you had quoted.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-11-03 02:51 ]
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Posted: 2008-11-03 03:43:33
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anyone got a link to themes ?
doesn't seem to be many WVGA themes, cheers
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Posted: 2008-11-03 05:46:57
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On 2008-11-01 01:05:02, Tigershark42 wrote:
Ive seen extreme contrasts with what people think of WinMo handsets. The one who doesnt bother to see what it can really do and just uses it as it comes, he says its slow, dated, boring etc etc etc. The one who downloads new software, takes an interest and knows what he is doing says it is brilliant and it can do anything he wants. So it just depends what you're looking for. If its not the latter, then its not WinMo you want.
Spot on.
Legend
On 2008-11-01 13:40:59, the_mont wrote:
I'm also on Vodafone, and I've already had a conversation with Sony Ericsson and Vodafone about the Wi-Fi issue. Wi-Fi does not work, even though you can connect to it, it won't use that connection. Both sets of developers are working to find a solution, so you can bear with it, or move networks where phones are unbranded if it's important to you.
Personally I'm not too bothered as the non-Wi Fi connection is fast enough for me at the moment.
In short - Vodafone reprogrammed and made a mess of it, BTW if anyone has the new C905, the same problem exists.
f%&$ me, they are completely useless!!! In their eagerness to ensure you never accidently manage to NOT USE VODAFONE when accessing the net, they actually kill of wifi altogether!
Not unlike Vodafone to consider their right to make money off you stronger then your right to get the product you asked for.
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Posted: 2008-11-03 07:21:34
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Hi All.
Can you use the X1 without a simcard as is possible with most Winmob. phones?
Thanks in advance!
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Posted: 2008-11-03 08:22:46
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