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On 2008-11-03 02:29:51, WhyBe wrote:
@Dogmann:
I mix music professionally. I won't argue with you.
I'm sorry, I appreciate you mix music professionally, but others who do the same tell a different story. So is your version of the truth the only one?
I am not a professional music person, so my opinion probably doesn't count, but I have worked and talked with those in your diverse profession. If you're version of the truth is such, it would appear that most high-end Amp, CD and speaker makers do not share your sentiment. For example NAID, provides a volume control and that's it.
I don't want to start an argument, and I'm not really interested in a discussion, as it totally subjective.
One thing is true though - not all music players are equal, and as Marc said the most important thing is a good pair of headphones and music recorded at a decent bit-rate to ensure the quality of sound.
That's my 2pence worth, and lets just get along
Chris
[ This Message was edited by: the_mont on 2008-11-03 08:07 ]
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Posted: 2008-11-03 09:04:45
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On 2008-11-03 08:22:46, Merlyn101 wrote:
Hi All.
Can you use the X1 without a simcard as is possible with most Winmob. phones?
Thanks in advance!
Yep, certainly can. I downloaded all my contacts and set it up, without the sim.
Chris
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Posted: 2008-11-03 09:11:51
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True.
As whybe put it, EQ is important when mixing audio. It's part of the artistic process and also part of the process of ensuring the audio sounds the way the artist meant it.
However, once it is mixed, then the only need for EQ is to compensate for inadequate playback equipment, adjust for poor listening environments, or as in radio to appeal to particular type of listener.
Sound personality in radio, like advertising, is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. In pop stations for example this will be one kind of EQ setting, in Classical it will be another. Also, radio station technocrats will assume that most people will listen to their station in a particular kind of poor listening environment and will adjust EQ to ensure their station still sounds good even in these poor listening environments (busy cafes, noisy cars etc). This involves a massive trade off in listening fidelity in quiet, sound isolated listening environments (for example in-ear headphones).
When we are listening through decent in-ear headphones on adequate quality playback devices it shouldn't be necessary to adjust EQ too much.
However that said it doesn't mean you won't one day be blasting your tunes from your W910 over A2DP to a crappy stereo and decide to use the inbuilt EQ to rectify the situation somewhat
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Posted: 2008-11-03 09:23:51
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On 2008-11-03 09:23:51, max_wedge wrote:
True.
As whybe put it, EQ is important when mixing audio. It's part of the artistic process and also part of the process of ensuring the audio sounds the way the artist meant it.
So basically we are all right in different ways, see we can all just get along
Chris
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Posted: 2008-11-03 09:50:55
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I have installed tochflo 3D. While installing my phone rang. It seems to have worked but it does crsh a lot. Come to think if it coreplayer has frozen a few times and so has the calls menu. Opera also crashes regularly.
Am I in need of a firmware update or something or have I installed to much to the phone or something?
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Posted: 2008-11-03 10:46:16
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Hi all,
Well it does indeed seem as most of us have the same opinion as of course an artist and producer are tweaking the sound to how they wish it to be whilst in a recording studio.
My argument was that Music is not mixed with the idea that the end user should then use EQ to make it sound right, as this i totally disagree with and it seems so does the_mont and Max. In as much that using EQ on most devices as there are always exceptions to any rules is trying to make up for the inadequacies of the hardware that the Music is being played on.
Really the best results on decent hardware with well encoded Music and decent ear/head phones is not to have to use EQ. As really boosting any single frequency or a combination of frequencies will not give the best soundstage.
For me i look for a well balanced sound stage with a rich warm sound and where the individual instruments can be heard and appreciated. Just being very loud or Bass heavy doesn't equate to being good quality well not for me it doesn't.
But lets leave this with us agreeing to diagree as it has been discussed numerous times before in threads dedicated to the subject and has little to do with the X1.
Other than the X1 does not have an EQ nor IMO does it need one as Music encoded @256kbps AAC sounds very good indeed using a good set of ear phones in my case Shure EC2g's. As after moving the slider up on both the device and phone volume controls it was also loud enough to.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-11-03 10:29 ]
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Posted: 2008-11-03 11:05:41
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Took another indoor photo with the exposure down -1.5.
I must say i am satisfied with the result of the camera, just need some tweeking..
The time between you press the button until the photo is taken is to long thou.
You can speed it up a little bit by pressing halfway on the button and take focus first.
Maby it futher firmware they make it a bit faster..
//Joel
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Posted: 2008-11-03 11:15:02
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On 2008-11-03 10:46:16, DexterMorgan wrote:
I have installed tochflo 3D. While installing my phone rang. It seems to have worked but it does crsh a lot. Come to think if it coreplayer has frozen a few times and so has the calls menu. Opera also crashes regularly.
Am I in need of a firmware update or something or have I installed to much to the phone or something?
Hi there,
My phone has only crashed twice once before I installed anything (so I put that down to Windows) and once after I've installed TouchFlow.
Based on my general IT knowledge (I am an IT consultant) but limited knowledge of Windows Mobile, I cannot say if TouchFlow was responsible for my 2nd crash. However I do not have many other programs installed and I use the player supplied with TouchFlow as it provides a good sound equal (if not better) to that of the internal player.
Most O/S Windows or otherwise (I work with Unix O/S FYI) require a certain amount of free memory to swap things in and out, for normal use. If you have a number of large programs running, obviously memory & battery will suffer. When in the "today screen" shutdown any programs that you are not using, as that might help.
How much free memory do you have on your X1 (not including the memory card)?
What I do, is install all music/data files, etc. on my external SDHC card, and my free memory currently is:
Storage: 95.23Mb
Program: 126Mb
Others have mentioned that SPB Panel on the SE website might be better than TouchFlow, but I can only test one Shell at a time
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If I experience your problems or have more crashes, I'll report back here. I don't work for TouchFlow, so I have no reason to plug it. If it falls to live up to expectations I will kick it into touch, but so far my experience (as reported on an early page) has been a positive one.
Obviously if freeing up memory doesn't work for you, I would uninstall it and try the SPB shell.
Chris
[ This Message was edited by: the_mont on 2008-11-03 10:38 ]
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Posted: 2008-11-03 11:30:33
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@Dogmann, the_mont & max:
Yes, this could be a long topic in and of itself
But, there is a reason tone controls are provided on any decent consumer playback system. As I said before, they are to be used as seasoning by the listener. You could very well listen with no EQ on a decent pair of headsets. But, to improve things, learn how to tweak an EQ with your favorite music and you'll be pleasantly surprised to hear very satisfactory improvements to the sound.
Max, you were pretty much in line with what I was saying.
However, once it is mixed, then the only need for EQ is to compensate for inadequate playback equipment, adjust for poor listening environments, or as in radio to appeal to particular type of listener.
For this statement however, I must add that what I have bolded is the case 99.9% of the time
If you Google something like "loudness war", you will read that many artists nowadays actually hate the way their finished product sounds because of certain processing insisted upon by the record companies.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-11-03 11:02 ]
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Posted: 2008-11-03 12:00:19
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On 2008-11-03 12:00:19, WhyBe wrote:
@Dogmann, the_mont & max:
Yes, this could be a long topic in and of itself
But, there is a reason tone controls are provided on any decent consumer playback system.
Ok, we're all "sort of pointing in the same direction, using different paths", however your statement above still does not hold true of all "better" than decent hi-fi makers.
Actually I'd go as far to say that all top Amp makers (used to work in a hi-fi shop) do not have "any" tone controls", so are they wrong?
Chris
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Posted: 2008-11-03 12:17:11
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