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its already out in Asia. Has been for a couple weeks. I got mine from my supplier in Asia (HK)
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Posted: 2008-06-22 11:18:23
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@Mizzle

Yeah, I mean in the sense that when you go into Messaging and then one of your Inboxes (sms or email), or when you come out of a message back to the inbox, on the P1 the messages refresh so they dissapear and then reappear again. This results in it jumping down the list if your to quick in trying to select another.

in a video I saw it didnt look as bad but not sure whether that was due to a lack of messages in the inbox.

Hopefully that makes sense now!

Best example of this is via my Blackberry inbox, i go into messgaing, then Blackberry inbox and straight away start scrolling up so as to find one of the older emails (say 300-400 in there), when its refreshed I end up being a number of emails down from the top of the list meaning i have to scroll even further up or down again.

if i pause before i start to scroll its fine.

[ This Message was edited by: Caspa on 2008-06-22 11:39 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 12:33:00
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It most likely does, since they've abandoned the impementations in the background. You can see the reason why it's like this if you look at the private folder for the inbox - they have put in seperate files for each message, so that when the mail- app refreshes (which it does all the time, even when it's not necessary), it requests from the filereader api one time for every message. So those requests compete with other requests, like other streams and api calls. Which makes the phone run really slow, since the scheduler doesn't see the difference between api calls.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 13:29:30
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@Caspa

I think I understand now, and if I do, then no it doesn't seem like that's the case. Doesn't happen with e-mails, any way

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Seeing Nipsen's reply, I doubt I understood correctly, or maybe my memory isn't that great. anyway, I don't recall any jumping in the lists when receiving e-mails while "being in" the e-mail inbox.

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[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2008-06-22 12:33 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 13:32:02
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..Well, it's kind of quicker with the pips- libraries (or an empty inbox), so it's not so horrible unless you know it's there.. >_
But if you have a large in- box, it's easy to see - you open the inbox from the folder view, you're jumped to the top of the list, even if there were no changes (and you can start scrolling down... and then things get really shaky..).

When you flip into a message and back, I think the position is kept, like it is when you switch between the folders via the more menu. Even when you get a new message, you're fine that way it seems (and it is put on top of the list). So it seems as if the "refresh" doesn't have anything to do with including new messages - it's got something to do with the implemenation for reading the lists to memory that's put in on specific points as a script or something (it's not that they "leave" the entire document class, either, because it's kept when you switch contexts..).

Another one of those problems is that if you choose to download messages from somewhere down on the list while you're offline, it doesn't seem to always work, and it kills the connection somehow. Won't work to refresh it either. You have to close it down, and then start over... But it works fine if you open the inbox first, and check it, before scooping down the list. So probably the entire login and connection script is placed on one specific point in the program, and not called as a method if the connection isn't open..

I'll... save you the rant about why that's bad..

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[ This Message was edited by: Nipsen on 2008-06-22 13:10 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 14:06:31
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sorry Nipsen, do you mean its the same or has improved?

Wasnt sure from your sentence where you say 'it most likely does' and then mention 'abandoned the implementation'

Thanks for both your input guys.

Still gonna be getting it next, just want to know what to expect.

[ This Message was edited by: Caspa on 2008-06-22 14:21 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-22 15:19:00
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Well, I don't have the code to check, so I don't know. But considering they dropped p1 fixing early in february, ignore the clear implementation faults on imap, as well as the.. it's not just weaknesses either, it's faults. It doesn't work properly. As I said early on, it's incredible they have the balls to publish it. But - I guess, it takes a year before anyone else really takes notice? So what the hell, hm.

*sigh* I mean - no, it's the same.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 17:12:24
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@technical-expert: why dont you make your owm review and tell us "how bad the G900 is" instead of speaking bs about Mizzle s review.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 18:17:29
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... in addition, don't forget to actually have tried it before writing the review
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Posted: 2008-06-22 19:12:30
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Don't worry Mizzle, I and many others liked your review. Technical Expert just has got egg on his face as other non SE biased websites said the same things about the G900.
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Posted: 2008-06-22 19:33:38
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