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I have to agree with the Gizmodo review borisinvin posted - that's the truth of Windows Mobile at the tail end of 2008. I wish it weren't so, I like the featureset of WM and I spent the last year trying to iron out the wrinkles in my otherwise very capable WM phone, but there are just too many issues that marr the user experience and negate the usefulness of many of those features. The slowness always comes back over time, the little lags and freezes, the interface problems that always trip you up when you just need to get something done quickly - there's no escaping any of it in the current generation of devices.
The basic aims of WM are laudable, in principle it's a supremely strong phone OS, but the reality is a different story. I'm quite interested in the rumours of a "Microsoft Phone" mind - if MS could marry up the right hardware with an improved WM7 and produce something that wasn't cobbled together by committee but by the OS vendor itself, then that could actually be a very strong contendor.
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Posted: 2008-12-12 12:42:17
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Shame Borisisinvin.I hope with a litle time and patience your X1 experience improves.
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Posted: 2008-12-12 13:32:28
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I postponed my phone upgrade to the 2009, around March. Until then, I stay with P1i, very good and complete anyway.
But X1 is considered as a replacement. I know would be nice to read these 450 pages, but I still have not enough time to do so
So please, as I know these negative comments,
may I ask
bloob, dogmann
Would you recommend this device?
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Posted: 2008-12-12 13:38:00
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That review is quite biased. I'm not saying there aren't some valid points made, but the significance of the WM flaws are WAY over exaggerated.
The fact is WM is NOT the best phone OS. A200, s60 top it easily. However there are phone OS's that are worse. s40 is pretty crap and while it may have a few (not many) ergonomic advantages over WM, who in their right mind would use an s40 phone over a WM phone?
It's not that WM is so bad, it has flaws but it's certainly usable as a phone OS, but I think people get frustrated by what it could be and forget what it is. It's a pocketpc (by heritage) with a phone in it. The phone works, it does the job, and yes it could be better, but it's still far preferable to some of the lamer attempts at phone os's out there, plus it's a powerful application platform to boot.
People have to get over this expectation of WM, and X1 by extension, being some kind of one size fits all mobile phone handset. Even more than that, CAN WE PLEASE get over this bullshit belief that just because SE says panels are going to be wonderful, that they will magically turn into some miracle of modern mobile ergonomics? Please?
Since when did any manufacturer's (ie: Apple, SE, Microsoft, Nokia etc etc) marketing hyperbole amount to anything more than wild claims that turn out to be nothing more than vaguely parallel to reality (but even then more divergent than parallel)? I mean, these guys spew out all sorts of crap, no one has any right to complain that it turns out to be bullshit. If you belief this crap you have to have screw loose.
Nokia: the N95 is a mini computer. Gee whiz, so what was windows mobile doing all those years. Or UIQ? Tell me PLEASE how was N95 so far different that it finally deserved the title "mini computer" when all that had gone before didn't? Okay, another misnomer sprouted about the place: DVD Quality. WTF?? DVD QUALITY?? Huh? Have you EVER seen DVD quality on a mobile phone. I know I sure as shit haven't. But do I blast Nokia at every opportunity? Do I moan on and on about how they "lied" to me? No, because when ever I read any of themarketing crap these companies put out, SE included, I laugh to myself and say "yeah right".
Apple: Ooh, it has Internet and Email. Holy F$%K, I'm buying one RIGHT NOW. Damn, it can play music, wooow. That's new. I haven't been listening to gigabytes of music since my K750, that's must have been my imagination.
The MAC versus MS ads: yes windows crashes all the time, it's so unreliable (I'm writing this on a VISTA laptop that has NEVER crashed on me yet. It's over 3 years old and has had vista on it for 12 months or more. I regularly use it with CS2, Olympus Master and Photomatix to edit 10 or more 10MP images concurrently. Again it NEVER CRASHES. Oh it's never had a virus either).
SE: Cybershot! Oh it has Cybershot on the label it must be a "real" camera. Oh it h as Walkman on it it must be a real music phone (again what was freaking wrong with my K750's music playing ability??)
SE: X1 ooh it has panels it must be an iphone killer. Ooh it looks pretty... Where is multi-touch? where is the fluidity of the iphone interface design? Anyone who believed X1 had some sort of magical iphone dragon killing ability has watched Lord of the Rings a few times too many.
The fact is the X1 is a good phone, well within the limits of what one can reasonably expect from WM at this stage of the game. To expect more is delusion and I fail to see why anyone needs to moan and bitch about how they have been "deceived", "lied to", "ripped off" or any other of a wide variety of adjectives some malcontents are using.
GET OVER IT!!
Innov8, N96, C902 are just a few words that describe phones with well designed and established mobile phone interfaces. If X1 and WM doesn't rock your boat then don't buy the thing.
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Posted: 2008-12-12 15:39:03
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On 2008-12-12 10:43:55, borisisinvin wrote:
You know what, you may have a point there with that. I close all of my apps after I'm done using them. Im a total control freak. Has your phone locked up on you btw while browsing/switching the panels? It seems that if I don't remember to do a soft reset every night I can expect it to lock up (hard, like I mentioned before) the next day like clock work... It's extremely annoying to say the least.
borisisinvin,
Your problems are weird. I think you got a faulty phone.
My phone never locked up on me. Not in the switching/browsing panels and not in any other applications. I don't have to do any soft or hard reset. I've once did a hard reset long time ago due to one of the application that I install.
for your information, at the moment, I've never switch off my X1 for 3 weeks straight, and it still running perfectly. When I check my memroy usage, at the moment the phone is using 42% of memory with several applications running. Most of the time I don't use the `x' button to close the application, I only use `ok' button so the application still running in the memory.
I think, you need to return back the phone.
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Posted: 2008-12-12 15:48:23
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btw, thanks everyone for putting up with my rant, now you know how I felt reading that WM bitch rant
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Posted: 2008-12-12 15:52:00
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max wedge
I had fun reading. Good points.
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Posted: 2008-12-12 16:26:32
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On 2008-12-12 09:29:05, Malkmus wrote:
So, I just want to get this straight. Is stereo bluetooth broken in this phone? I seem to see only one or two people complaining about this, yet I've seen no one state that it works. I'm more interested in hearing from those of you X1 owners who keep stating that the phone has absolutely no problems. Does stereo bluetooth work? Or am I just the only person who hates wires and therefore the only one who cares?
Stereo bluetooth works for me. I use it both in WMP and SE Media Experience. I have a Sony DR-BT22 stereo bluetooth headset. The AVRCP functionality is another issue though. WMP handles it but not the panel.
@max wedge
That was a kick-ass rant
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Posted: 2008-12-12 17:56:41
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@ Max Wedge I guess my beef is that I didn't know what to expect with WM this late in the year 2008. I didn't know that lock-ups and freezes in the OS were to be expected daily from the phone, and part of WM's charm. I'm just now noticing people saying "this phone doesn't freeze as much", or " lock-ups on this phone are rare" in forums. What revision of WM is this again? I didn't know that small menu icons and navigation bars for simple contact look-ups would require stylus use EVERY TIME, practically making it impossible to use the phone one handed. I didn't know that I would have to carry around another phone to use as a regular phone or PMP to enjoy my media with this device, like many current users and professionals who use WM do, just to get a all around decent phone and PMP experience (btw carrying around 2 phones is lame). I feel that what I got as a relative novice to this OS is unacceptable. No wonder Microsoft has ceded so much market share in the smart phone market worldwide in two short years to a relative newcomer like Apple and it's iPhone. The user experience on the X1 blows because of it, no matter how much anyone here denies it or tries to explain it away. I think critics like Giz and the like are partly to blame for what I'm now experiencing and feeling. Like they plainly state in the article I quoted, they, and to a greater extent everyone else now a days don't compare WM devices to other phones with different OS's when reviewing the device in question, which in and of itself is a flawed logic when going about the review process. In the end, this only screws over the consumer. "Gee, you mean to tell me I'm getting the best WM device out there? Nice, but wait, what does that mean exactly?..." Well, just because you have the nicest and best pinto out there, that doesn't necessarily mean that you have the best car out there too. Again, everyone this is all just my vexed opinion based on MY user experience (or the opinion of a "malcontent" if you like, which I'd take over the word of a delusionist any day), so take it with a grain of salt...
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Posted: 2008-12-12 18:43:05
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@borisisinvin
Well the old adage rings true here: RTFM!
If you are new to WM then you should study it, learn it, THEN decide whether it's for you or not. It is not as intuitive as iPhone or other phones but is every bit as functional and quick once you have learned and optimized it. All of your problems seem to stem from lack of knowledge rather than flat out being WM fault. We can all agree WM needs work, but, it is a very competent phone OS. If your crashing all the time, then get rid of the garbage software you installed, stop doing tweaks, and just stick to the basics until you become more proficient with it.
I enjoy media on the X1 (both audio and video) media playerS, I don't use stylus with contacts nor is it required. Yes, there are certain segments of the OS that calls for the stylus, but that is few and far between (try using the OK button).
Alot of the WM bitching is over the top (as max says). Just take a few moments and learn what can be done, and not be done, and what shortcuts can be set up. It is not difficult riding a bike once you've learned how to balance.
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Posted: 2008-12-12 19:22:31
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