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@cu015170 if you can't see the softness in 808 here, and still mistake Soft for Pure, then no one can help any further. I wonder then who the lost cause would be.
And note that this doesn't mean that 808 produces bad images! It's just that the "pureness" you seeing is nothing but noise removal at the expense of detail which is still pretty prevalent compared to other cameraphones.
If you remove the extra sharpness and go more aggressively against noise with the 1020 photos you will get same results.
Had the 808 been able to produce such clean 5MP photos with full detail then it would beat 6000€ professional cameras for landscape! What you are hinting at is plain ridiculous!
Rub your eyes pretty well and enjoy the softness of your 808..
Source:
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/18042_The_first_big_PureView_battle_.php
Some notes: For sure Nokia didn't go with the standard processing with the 1020. But rather vivid colors and sharpened photos. Which might be what vast majority smartphones owners want, but personally not me. I would do with less sharpness and more natural colors.
With the 808 it's the other extreme, neutral colors (usually one does that in order to leave more room self post processing and getting colors right instead of risking the camera damaging the image beyond repair), and aggressive noise reduction.
It is hard in this case to compare the two cameras for better resolved details and noise levels unless one has access to RAW data or exact same internal JPEG processing is applied. But still it's clear that the PureView technology delivers same level IQ on both phones..
What remains is to check which is smarter (more reliable) than the other on auto, and other features..
1020 can do with an update addressing auto WB and some metering errors like in that last photo above which the 1020 obviously underexposed.
808 already had its updates, it could do with more features and controls though. (full SS control could be decisive for a photographer, and apps like SmartCam can deliver photos which are vital and can't be achieved otherwise! Not to mention OIS..
808 has better Dynamic range it appears which could be addressed by a software update btw since there other factors than the sensor itself affecting DR.. And it has the bigger Xenon module..
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2013-10-05 12:35 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-05 10:14:07
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On 2013-10-04 23:28:21, hihihans wrote:
Are you all still fighting over 1020 vs 808.
Two different phones from different times for different people with different needs. No wonder they're different.
Apparently we are.
But for those who only care about a phoning camera, caring less about everything else from hardware to smartphone features, this comparison I think is relevant. Though maybe this is an ever decreasing user base since smartphones are all getting pretty good at imaging.
However, I still feel confused by how a photography enthusiast would ignore OIS, apps such as SmartCam, full SS control which is a first to cameraphones and an "image changer", having the ability to save both full and supersampled versions, and dwindle into subtle IQ difference which doesn't necessarily put the 808 at an advantage even.
Unless someone really needs out of the camera neutral and denoised photos (which usually don't go together well btw*) I can't see any reason to go with the 808 over 1020! Specially that 808 fans over here are sticking to the claim of better IQ with better details and noise levels!
* If I want to retouch my JPEGs for best quality, I'd actually go for neutral and no noise reduction at all. And do everything myself! Not neutral and aggressive noise cancelling!
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2013-10-05 09:24 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-05 10:23:02
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On 2013-10-04 21:28:46, davidsic wrote:
@ cu, 1020 does not take better pictures than 808 but more pleasing to the eyes and that's what you're not seem understand.
I had two 808 and i often found that it made exeptional pics for a phone but i was never satisfied to 100% (sometimes whashed out, too soft...) in spite of the settings.
The majority of people will prefer the pics from 1020, they will not speak by technical details and i belong of it (i like the technical stuffs but not too much).
If 808 and 1020 had been professionnal devices that would have been important (pixels size, dpi, size of the sensor)...but they are not !
The 1020 takes crisp sharp warm colourfull pics helping with OIS, record oustanding videos but you don't like it like the others 25 persons on the planet who still use a 808 running on Symbian
No camera can produce generally more pleasing to eyes but of lower Quality images. This statement is paradoxical by itself.
What you meant to say is that the saturation and more sharpness are more pleasing to the eye. But overall image is worse. Only that is not. Push the 808 to same sharpness level and you will get same artifacts (jagged tiny detail transitions, and graining)
As to the hardware, pixel density and sensor size are decisive factors of course, but not the only factors playing this role!
The sensor technology itself, optics, and processing are exactly as important.
And by processing I mean by opting for same result not all processing algorithms are equal!
A simple comparison between noise reduction software would tell you the whole story. Same goes for internal camera JPEG processing regarding noise and color depth.
And the Lumia 1020 uses slightly smaller sensor, but of newer technology and from a company which makes image sensors for professional uses unlike Toshiba. It also has slightly bigger aperture. Then there are the different image processors. So hardware-wise it could go either way. And as I said, with such different purpose processing algorithms, one needs RAW data to compare otherwise it is really hard to make out which of the two renders better details and color depth. But apparently if there is a difference, it's too small to weigh it over other camera differences!
To me, OIS, SmartCam, SS control, and full res version to play with along with the supersampled one are alone to win any serious photography enthusiast over.
And you mentioned DPI?! Seriously? What is going on around here!!
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2013-10-05 09:54 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-05 10:46:01
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On 2013-10-05 11:11:00, hihihans wrote:
Quote: I think this forum is in dire need of a report button. Too much trolls allowed to post here.
But who is who? I'm thinking of locking this topic. Too much 808 for a 1020 thread.
There is a difference between trolling and going off-topic..
Sometimes off-topic debates and discussions (that are not totally off) are worth to keep.
Should have been a separate thread for this comparison. But I don't see much harm in doing it in this thread.
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Posted: 2013-10-05 12:14:10
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On 2013-10-05 11:11:00, hihihans wrote:
But who is who? I'm thinking of locking this topic. Too much 808 for a 1020 thread.
The best thing to do, imo, maybe only for a few weeks or so.
This topic is ridiculous, people interested in buying a good
smartphone with a very good camera are bored to death with these neverending comparisons between this phone and the 808 (excellent cam, but dead OS).
Only a handful of posters, none of which really
owns a 1020, posting their opinion over and over and over again, and why? Nobody forces them to buy an 1020, they can keep using their 808, so what's the point?
To me, it looks like the old question: who has the biggest .... ?
All of you, who want to take the best possible photos, go buy a DSLR with a few good lenses and don't bother with a phone FFS!
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Posted: 2013-10-05 12:54:56
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On 2013-10-05 12:54:56, Marly wrote:
To me, it looks like the old question: who has the biggest .... ?
Apparently it takes a woman to see that
: spot on Marly!
Pixel peeping with photos from a phone, come on people, how silly can you get?
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Posted: 2013-10-05 14:09:33
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Posted: 2013-10-05 18:08:51
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What else would you compare the 1020 to ? There is noting else currently on sale that can compete with the 1020 the way the 808 does.. so comps are only natural.
Since i am always searching for the best smartphone camera, i did my own research. I went to the store, set both phones on 95% jpeg compression, locked the ISO, and took some pictures. After looking at the images, it was clear that the 808 produces the better jpeg.. from that point on I really don't care what reviews and blogs say.
You can convince yourselves whatever you want, but the 808 has the better camera, if it didn't .. i would be using 1020 by now.
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Posted: 2013-10-05 22:39:51
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Mine is ordered, i had two 808 and i will compare...
iPhone 5s vs 1020 camera shootout :
http://www.mobileburn.com/22070/review/apple-iphone-5s-vs-nokia-lumia-1020-camera-shootout
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Posted: 2013-10-05 22:56:06
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I cleared this thread from some posts.
Cool down and keep Esato a save and friendly place.
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Posted: 2013-10-05 23:19:27
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