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Yo...the owner of all the crap in the universe...all my dreams have come true...even d bad once...its scary but true. U r begining 2 irritate. Post something worth posting. All U have done is quote some1s post & added a PJ along. In dis & other threads. Let see if U have something intelectual 2 say about d topic ? Na...U ll just quote (or atleast b tempted 2) my post & add a PJ .Grow up or aleast try 2 learn from U mistakes. We R here 2 make freinds.
I dont say I m perfect...no I m far behind...but I try 2 learn from my mistakes.
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Posted: 2005-08-10 14:03:29
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@max_wedge:

all u need is to see slightly ahead why a smartphone platform is important. sometime the end-user may not need to know too much about what a smartphone can do.

Providers/vendor can introduce new apps or developers can come out with some great ideas. These apps can then be propagated to the end-users smartphones thru certain tie-up with the service providers. For example, Nokia has been promoting their "presence" app using bluetooth or "mobile search" or "lifeblog". Even older generations of Series 60 can run these apps.

This trickling effect will slowly turn into a waterfall as more and more smartphone users discover the add-on uses thru word-of-mouth or thru providers. This will lead to more people buying smartphone over a normal phone.

And with an installed based like 100million smartphone users by year-end (and still growing exponetially), this will entice more new services to be introduced. And with 3G/EDGE high speed connectivity in place, many new uses will eventually emerge.


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Posted: 2005-08-11 05:12:56
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You think I am arguing against smartphones, I am not.

I agree with you that this is the situation that will emerge, what I'm saying is that for the time being (next year or two, maybe three or four), manufacturers can get all the utility they need out of the non-smart os's they currently use. For example with all the K750 can do, some people call it a smartphone when it isn't. But SE have no difficulty making it useful even without the vaunted smartphone os. Then there is Blackberry, which will probably die a death when smartphones are commonplace, but until then it serve's a purpose.

I don't believe SE will fall behind the market by not bringing out a good range of smartphones just yet, and that it will be a couple of years or more before they need a good range of smartphones to compete in the open market.

What about Motorola, Samsung, Siemens? All have competitive handsets, but they have no more smartphones than SE. Are you saying that THE ONLY oem's that are competitive are those with a high percentage of smartphones in their line up? Because that's blatantly ridiculus.

You tempted me into biting, well done Actualy you argument is coherent, I think we only disagree on the timeline.
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Posted: 2005-08-11 08:33:03
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@max_wedge:

take a look at motorola in the firgures I gave. They have increased their smartphone volume by 600+ percent.

the time is now. What I think is SE should quickly choose a smartphone platform. imho, I think only 2 major platforms (i.e Series60 and Microsoft WM) will survive in the longer term. Since SE is relatively small, it would be a good idea to either jump on the WM or Series60 bandwagon.

SE seems to be wasting time trying to come out with its own O/S to compete with Series60 and WM.
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Posted: 2005-08-11 09:48:32
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I think series 60 is a good platform as many companies are using it e.g panasonic, nokia. I want to remind people series 60 is not owned by nokia!
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Posted: 2005-08-11 15:00:03
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time will tell mib People were saying "the time is now" 18 months ago, yet SE still seem confident of carving market share without diving into fully fledged smartphone production for the time being.

Personally I don't really care if it's uiq3, s60 or wm. To be honest, being predominately an intel/windows tech, I would prefer windows mobile but I haven't been impressed with the stability of XDA phones so that's a worry (so for now I lean towards uiq). This is what I mean by SE are hedging their bets. I'm guessing they want to make sure whatever smart platform they use it's going to last them into the future.

It's okay to say the time is now, but SE have to live with whatever market conditions exist in 5 - 10 years into the future. They are not going to sacrifice early sales now, for solid market share later. Obviously they want to make sure whatever they do will be a sound decision that they can build on, not a knee jerk reaction to what are still niche market forces.

I think this also explains why they haven't brought out an EDGE phone for the Indian market. As disappointing as that is for Indian SE fans, SE want to be best placed when 3G services start to become commonplace. I also think SE being a relatively new company, doesn't necessarily have the flexibility of production that Nokia or Motorola has. This is another reason they don't rush of and make a model to meet every niche market demand.

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Posted: 2005-08-12 03:00:21
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max:

Your point is logical to a certain extent but imo, it applies less to SE. SE phones are marketed as higher price and higher-tech. Currently, it still has advantage in tech due to camera (i.e 2MP). But very soon (maybe 1 year) the camera megapixel chase would reach a plateau and the other manufacturers would eventually catch up. After this what's next? Maybe the next craze will be 3G/EDGE add-on services or smart personal/entertainment/interactive applications. And we all know that a smartphone would have great advantages to deploy and run these apps.

SE without a smartphone would lose the "high-tech image" because it does not have a phone that have the capability to meet this new demand. So maybe then, SE phones may be left to compete in the general "fashion" (aka small cutey clam) phone category. And we all know how SE sucks in this category.

a smartphone platform takes time to mature and stabilise. Look at series60 and WM. Both these have now overcome their growing up pain. Even if SE came out with UIQ3 this year, realistically, it may take up to 2-3 years to stabilise, gain acceptance and have enough software support. So the time has to be now in order to catch the next wave.

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Posted: 2005-08-12 04:59:31
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Hmmm, good points mate. I'm still sceptical 3G is just around the corner tho'. I would guess two-three years before it is common enough that SE will need to jump on the band wagon.

I base that on the slowness with which I've observed 3G spread so far, and reports I've read about the market impediments to 3G (High cost to implement, and network vendors not able to make enough money in the short term to make it worthwhile rolling out 3G on a large scale or at reasonable cost to the end user)

For example, we have 3G in Australia, but the data plans suck, VERY expensive. And data is a separate plan, so you can get calls and mms on one capped plan, but if you want to use their 384kbps internet you need to sign up for an expensive data plan as well.

I myself use 44kbps GPRS, it's the only affordable way unless you are very rich, crazy, or have a business use for it that makes it worthwhile. In some places 3G is cheap, but phone makers have to appeal to worldwide markets.
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Posted: 2005-08-12 05:15:04
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Actually there is a alternative - EDGE ! Same price/availability as GPRS and almost as fast as 3G ! Nokia saw the gap (with EDGE), took the chance and made/still makes the kill ! (check the share price and market share over the last 6months ! ) Greetings from South Africa. Mario :-) This message was posted from a Nokia 7650
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Posted: 2005-08-12 20:13:57
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WOW, interesting thread.

About 3 years ago, I joined this site (I might be off on the date). I joined because I wanted to post a multitude of questions on my very 1st Ericsson phone, T18z (Fido network). I wasnt told about this site, and I didnt know anything about cellphones except from what I saw in Miami Vice, and the highrollers in my 'hood using the brick Moto's. I even imagined that it was magic, as back then I had no knowledge of anything technical. The purpose of my cellphone was to keep in touch with my girlfriend (now wife), while I was in school, as she was pregnant. Also to talk to friends & family, plus the status quo. I went looking for support sites for Ericsson phones.

Since then I worked as customer service, and more recently tech support in 2 wireless providers in Canada & the USA. The amazing things I've learned here on Esato; made me a cellphone whore!! My first true liason/fantasy/love of a cellphone was the T36 (which in exclusive quantities shipped in Europe), which was recently cancelled. Although the T28World was similar it didnt have the built-in IRDA & Bluetooth. Thus the perfect fit was the T39m which I owned 3 times!!! and never regretted it.

The things I've learned at the wireless providers I worked for astounded not only me but my friends, coworkers, and acquaintances. During that time, and even now I've helped them and many people here on Esato. Even the ones that thought they new it all about E or SE, they didnt know much about bluetooth. I still love SonyEricsson, but the features in phones since then haven't fullfilled my desires and needs.

Which brings me to this quote. [Quote=max_wedge] It's all a question of positioning. ... Nokia sell smartphones like potato chips, but many of those smart phones are used in no more complex ways than candybars like K500 etc.[/Quote] So absolutely right. But the game isnt just about SE and Nokia, there are others like Moto & HTC/MS.

Since the T36m, SE has released phones with the same features or better or more features in what we here would call basic phones. POP3/IMAP email access/polling, WAP 2.0/WML browsers, browser's now with HTML support (even if its light version). Also, with Bluetooth & IRDA, more recently since the T68 camera's just built-in and higher resolution with autofocus (k750), and now MP3 playback in the background with plane-mode. Nokia, has realized very early on that there are different demands in different markets, and different market segments. ie a 16yr old craving for mobile gaming = Ngage QD, an 18-32 year old that needs good phone for just calls, sms, mms, alarm/reminder/calender = 25-50 year olds, then those that need to access their email, manage a busy schedule, needs alarm, camera, wants the ability to surf html+javascript sights for quick information/transactions, wireless sync phonebook/calendar/notes/, also to install specific applications that do more or do better than what ships with the phone they've bought = 14 - 50 year olds. Now this all changes in Europe compared to Canada to USA to Africa to India.

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Posted: 2005-08-13 06:49:12
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