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Right now, the k750 is able to use gps software, My Friends/Yamigo to acess msn, wlirc for IRC, with Opera Mini for html browsing, together with multitasking, fabulous 3d games (check the new Range Rover 3d - awesome!!! or motoracer 3d), and the well know great music and photo capabilities, all this in a small and light package, well, there´s not much to miss from a smartphone
As a bonus, you are imune to the plague of .sis virus that are spreading all over the place, at least here in Portugal lol
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Posted: 2005-08-18 10:43:37
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On 2005-08-18 10:13:23, max_wedge wrote:
no, what I'm saying is that until smartphones cover some very basic needs (like internet banking) I am often FORCED to carry my laptop. I am freakin' ACHING for a smartphone that can replace my laptop for those basic needs, but there AIN'T one around
Maybe you have had wrong smartphones then. I can definitely do Internet banking with mine. So, if Internet banking is your need, there are several smartphones that can do that. What are your other "very basic needs" that you can't do with smartphone?
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Posted: 2005-08-18 11:15:01
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Even k700 or k750 are able to acess secure sites from banks...i do that all the time, with the 3 banks i use...
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Posted: 2005-08-18 11:54:54
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I think N90 is targeted at a niche high-end market and I believe Nokia do not expect it to sell in great volume like the 7610/6680/6630.
Dont forget that Nokia has a whole other range of equivalent smartphones (N70, N91, 6680/1, 6630) which are as capable to cater to other preferences.
Even if N90 sells in small volume, it is very unlikely that K750 will pick up the slacks. These people will most probably wait for the N70 or N91. On top of this, the Series40 3G 6270/6280 are around the corner and these 2 phones already beat the capability of K750.
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Posted: 2005-08-18 12:06:36
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I don't understand why this has become a K750 v N90 thread. They are not even similar. . .
This message was posted from a S700
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Posted: 2005-08-18 12:13:39
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Yip I agree, nokia marketing people should worry about who their target market will be, what marketing strategy to use!!!??
Us Esato people are to smart to fall for any of that though...
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Posted: 2005-08-18 12:54:11
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my bank uses java, it doesn't work on xda II or my K750....I can't even load the main page.
Other java sites don't work. Many many people I have spoken to can't use many sites via their phones, smartphone or not.
I just tried some sites that use java, and the java applets don't work. Now I'm not a java fan, I'd be happy if all websites used html, or better xHTML, but that's not the real world.
Another factor is that many sites are not designed with mobile access in mind. This will change as xHTML becomes standard, but it is still an issue that even though it is not a problem with mobile internet devices per se, it is part of the reason smartphones still aren't popular in the general market. My webhost only 6 months ago enabled the correct mime settings that allows a web designer to build web sites that can be viewed by mobile phones.
I've never said I don't like smartphones or that I have a problem with them, except that they are too big for my personal liking. I own an XDA II. But I don't use it as a phone, that's my point. And the reason is as much the fault of operators (who often restrict mobile internet) and web designers as much as the handsets huge size.
It's a "whole industry" problem that needs to be addressed before smartphones can be successfull (that is, when everyone will want one, not just the power users like mario and mib
, although I respect you guys for pushing the limits)
As I have said again and again, it's gonna be a while before they all get their shit together
so I've decided to NOT jump on the smartphone bandwagon, since I got sick of being disappointed every (frequent) time I couldn't view some simple internet site. The only bonus of the situation, is that I get to carry around a nice small candybar like the K750 instead of a brick. For me, that makes it worthwhile, since I don't know if I would carry a brick (especially the N90) even if it could view the sites properly.
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Posted: 2005-08-18 17:00:34
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max, you´re banks must have really poor programers at their service...most portuguese banks have secure xhtml (or wap) sites running, and they all can be acessed from the k750
Here´s an example
http://m.bpinet.pt
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Posted: 2005-08-18 17:48:48
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On 2005-08-18 10:43:37, Arez wrote:
Right now, the k750 is able to use gps software, My Friends/Yamigo to acess msn, wlirc for IRC, with Opera Mini for html browsing, together with multitasking, fabulous 3d games (check the new Range Rover 3d - awesome!!! or motoracer 3d), and the well know great music and photo capabilities, all this in a small and light package, well, there´s not much to miss from a smartphone
As a bonus, you are imune to the plague of .sis virus that are spreading all over the place, at least here in Portugal lol
Opera Mini is unlike full Opera. It is not even a true browser per se. What Opera mini does is connect to proxy web server which will pre-download and convert the web pages into "suitable" format and sends it your phone. Essentially it is like taking a screen shot of the web page and your phone just display the screen shot.
Can you tell me what multi-tasking can you do. How about while you r typing a SMS, you open up EnglishPhrases dict and do a copy paste phrases to your SMS and while doing this open a Excel spreadsheet to check out certain info? Or how about running a background call manager program to automatically filter/answer/record/reject your calls? or how about using GPS to remind you of eating places once you drive into that location? Or how about playing Doom together with your friends over Bluetooth? Or how about doing a "Remote Desktop" of your PC sceen in your phone?
I think it is more appropriate to say - "you have no idea what you are missing if you think a smartphone is only as capable as a K750"
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Posted: 2005-08-19 05:51:53
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mib, I never said the K750 is as versatile as a smarphone. You are missing the point of my argument.I own a smartphone and I'm sick of people telling me what they can DO. I know what they are capable of.
I know my bank has a crap internet site, they should update, I agree. They won't listen to me though, funny that.
I'm not arguing that the K750 is better than a smartphone, I'm arguing that the whole smartphone/operator/website relationship has a little way to go before smartphones will be taken up in droves by the general public.
Personally, because I live in one part of many such places in the world that doesn't have cheap data, whose basic utility providers don't build xhtml websites, then there is virtually no point in me carrying around a brick because it doesn't bring me any closer to using the internet than I can on my K750. (as Arez says himself, he can browse his netbank on his K750, so that particular issue has nothing to do with smartphones as such, but it's still part of the bigger picture)
If I want to tweak I play with my XDA II, or jump on the laptop. If I'm on the move, then what my K750 can do (in a small form factor) is equal to my needs. I keep saying guys, you power users want everything all the time, and that's good, but the average joe doesn't want 500 applications installed on their phone. They'd much rather be able to view this or that website. Soon, even non-smartphones will be capable of that.
Opera Mobile Browser is for smartphones. Opera Mini is different, and is only available through some operators, but it only needs java and gprs, so normal phones such as K750 should be able to run opera mini. On the opera mini page, the only way to download is if I live in norway. The main page has a picture of a K750 ruinning opera mini, but doesn't offer a download? So I rely on my provider to supply it, if they see fit. See this is what I'm talking about.
Opera Mini is a step in the right direction, but all I'm trying to say is that for the next couple of years atleast, due to compatibility issues, before smartphone uptake really max's out.
When these compatibility etc issues are ironed out between the handset hardware, website providers, and mobile internet providers, THEN smartphones will become the norm. See I bloody agree with you guys, just I don't think the time is here and now for the average user.
But it's slowly getting there.
The smartphone advocates here just see red whenever an SE user claims that they still prefer a small form factor mobile over a brick smartphone!!!! So what? Surely I, and thousands of others, are entitled to expect more of basic internet services before we migrate to smartphones? My argument is not against smartphones as such, just against the fact that the internet services really only support the power of smartphones in some pockets of the world. The rest of us are stuck with sub-standard services.
As far as multi-tasking goes, nothing beats a smartphone, however the activity button on the K750 is a huge step not to be under-estimated. With it, I can do some basic multi-tasking, for example listen to music while taking photos, minimise applications/games/music player etc to access contacts/calender/send sms/make calls etc etc, then go back to the game or music. That's just a few examples. The K750 is actually streets ahead of all other non-smartphone handsets on the market.
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Posted: 2005-08-19 08:22:27
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