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On 2007-01-26 15:08:53, mib1800 wrote:
I think this statement is pure SE fanboy exaggeration.
haha, You would think that!
No I'm not a SE fanboy, just know what I like, and s40 sucks. I detest it, and find the SE UI far more user friendly and flexible. There is no effort at multi-tasking for example. SE non-smartphone UI is ahead of Nokia non-smartphone UI imho. Again this is something I notice many people comment on.
One example, recently my bro-in-law went from K750 to a Nokia 5140, and he commented on the poor display and poor ergonomics of the UI. This phone also has no bluetooth, poor display, no cable included (and Nokia unlike SE, have multitudes of different data cables, changes almost model to model, so you get penalised for buying a cable for your phone when you upgrade - you have to buy a new cable), no memory to speak of, no mp3player (no memory), and JAVA support is atrocious, yet pricewise it is pitched against SE phones with expandable memory (or adequate onboard), bluetooth, mp3players etc.
Now I know it's only an example, and it does have some features (compass, thermometer etc) not available on SE phones, but the features are pretty gimmicky imho. There is no reason Nokia couldn't have put atleast 176x176 screen and bluetooth in this phone.
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Posted: 2007-01-26 16:32:57
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Quote:I detest it, and find the SE UI far more user friendly and flexible. There is no effort at multi-tasking for example. SE non-smartphone UI is ahead of Nokia non-smartphone UI imho. Again this is something I notice many people comment on.
The latest s40 in 5300 allows mp3 to be played in background. As to multi-tasking, yes you r right, it is still not at the level of SE UI. Then again SE UI dont have very useful active standby screen. And not to mention SE UI is SLOW compared to S40. On the whole, s40 still is behind SE UI but not
10 times worse as u said.
Quote:no cable included (and Nokia unlike SE, have multitudes of different data cables, changes almost model to model,
I think this is incorrect. Most phones are compatible with the CA-52/53 data cable. All s60 phones have data cable included and so does phones that have a memory card slot.
Quote:Now I know it's only an example, and it does have some features (compass, thermometer etc) not available on SE phones, but the features are pretty gimmicky imho. There is no reason Nokia couldn't have put atleast 176x176 screen and bluetooth in this phone.
Do you realise 5140 is a SPORT's model? Those functions are not gimmicky. Why r u comparing an old (niche) model with SE top end K750? How about using recent models? Why does a 6233 which has much more functionality than a W850 and cost at least 40% cheaper? How you want to rebut this? So does this mean that SE is screwing its customers big time??
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Posted: 2007-01-27 04:09:49
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SE wil launch 5 symbian phones.
keep in mind that the phones for japan are also counted as sybmian. they run on the FOMA platform, just have a look at the symbian website.
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Posted: 2007-01-27 10:41:13
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It makes sense really, most people I know and have seen with phones have Sony Ericssons.
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Posted: 2007-01-27 11:35:41
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for belgium nokia 1, samsung 2, sony ericsson 3
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Posted: 2007-01-27 12:17:40
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If most people are using SE phones, how come Nokia outsell them by 3.5:1. It looks like some posters can't see the difference between 'bullshit' talk and reality. 'to use kbr768's terminology'. Even in England (one of the few places Se just just outsell nokia), the 'dark lord' is very well represented. :grin:
This message was posted from a N70-1
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Posted: 2007-01-27 12:37:23
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mario2004
But what you say only gets heard on a SE forum, that says alot about whats HOT.
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Posted: 2007-01-27 14:54:05
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On 2007-01-27 04:09:49, mib1800 wrote:
@max_wedge
Quote:I detest it, and find the SE UI far more user friendly and flexible. There is no effort at multi-tasking for example. SE non-smartphone UI is ahead of Nokia non-smartphone UI imho. Again this is something I notice many people comment on.
The latest s40 in 5300 allows mp3 to be played in background. As to multi-tasking, yes you r right, it is still not at the level of SE UI. Then again SE UI dont have very useful active standby screen. And not to mention SE UI is SLOW compared to S40. On the whole, s40 still is behind SE UI but not
10 times worse as u said.
Quote:no cable included (and Nokia unlike SE, have multitudes of different data cables, changes almost model to model,
I think this is incorrect. Most phones are compatible with the CA-52/53 data cable. All s60 phones have data cable included and so does phones that have a memory card slot.
Quote:Now I know it's only an example, and it does have some features (compass, thermometer etc) not available on SE phones, but the features are pretty gimmicky imho. There is no reason Nokia couldn't have put atleast 176x176 screen and bluetooth in this phone.
Do you realise 5140 is a SPORT's model? Those functions are not gimmicky. Why r u comparing an old (niche) model with SE top end K750? How about using recent models? Why does a 6233 which has much more functionality than a W850 and cost at least 40% cheaper? How you want to rebut this? So does this mean that SE is screwing its customers big time??
Yeah OKAY, 10 TIMES is too much
My brother in law purchased the "old" 5140, recently for $250 brand new, about the same as K750 in many stores, but for a more realistic comparison, I could pick the K700 for example, even older than the 5140, yet it still has better ui. better memory and better connectivity. However you are right there is not much point arguing about old phones, I will cease and desist
My point about the cable and memory was to show how current s40 phones compare to SE phones, ie not that well. I agree s60 phones are better equipped. But this just proves what I'm saying, most Nokia s60 phones aren't about smartphone so much as about providing a phone that can compete with other manufacturers UI's (since s40 just can't). S60 is about multimedia/internet, and they are competing directly with SE non-smartphones, and on an equal footing.
SE don't really need to put smartphone os's across their range. Their non-smartphone OS is more than capable of providing a strong multimedia platform. Nokia on the other hand need to convert as many s40 handsets into s60, just to compete adequately with SE non-smartphones (and Motorola, also have a good UI).
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Posted: 2007-01-27 15:12:06
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Quote:S60 is about multimedia/internet, and they are competing directly with SE non-smartphones, and on an equal footing.
I am not saying otherwise.
. However, techie buyers (whose numbers are quite significant) do buy s60 for its smartphone capability. For the rest of the users it is more the overall package/pricing that determines the decision rather than UI/OS. For those buyers who like "the more the merrier", s60 phones being better equipped would have advantage over SE phones. But for those who are looking for specific capability like mp3 then they may choose SE.
S60 phones being perceived as "jack of all trade" is now changing as Nokia is tailoring and enhancing each s60 device for specific capability like the 6290/n76/91 for music). From user feedback/review, N91 beats any SE phone in terms of music quality. imo, SE advantage in specific niche segment like music is coming to an end.
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SE don't really need to put smartphone os's across their range. Their non-smartphone OS is more than capable of providing a strong multimedia platform. Nokia on the other hand need to convert as many s40 handsets into s60, just to compete adequately with SE non-smartphones (and Motorola, also have a good UI).
I dont think Nokia needs to convert all s40 to compete. There are advantages to s40, one being very fast and secondly it is very stable (you seldom hear of WSOD which is synonymous with SE UI
). The newer s40 FP1 holds up very well to SE UI in aesthetics as well as ease of use but lost in multi-tasking (but then again like you say not many care for multi-tasking/smartphone so SE UI has no advantage at all in this aspect
)
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Posted: 2007-01-27 15:51:58
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Interesting points about s40 mib. Mind you white screens in SE UI isn't that much of a problem, though I admit when you push it it can run out of memory and reset to a white screen. But then you don't see s40 (yet anyway) being used for as demanding multimedia as SE non-smartphones.
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Posted: 2007-01-28 02:06:19
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