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On 2007-05-18 03:33:21, Dogmann wrote:
@enh_cheung
You are 100% correct it is now some 8-9months later after launch, i had mine after the 2nd firmware and sold it within 2 weeks. You can not seriously expect any one to have to wait months for a device to start working properly.
I accept most devices have a few teething problems and as long as they are addressed quickly that is just about acceptable but the amount of time SE took with the UIQ3 devices plus there lack of communication is why i looked else where and won't buy any freshly launched product from SE again once bitten twice shy.
Not of course forgetting until they start releasing current spec devices they don't stand a chance in hell of getting my money not for old tech anyway. I have to agree with sapporobaby as this is what pushed me to Nokia and eventually the E61 which i have to tell you even with the M600's current status in just in a different class had the M600 given half as good an experience as it i would of been happy and kept the M600.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-18 02:37 ]
Hey Dogmann,
I remember you from the old M600i days. Waiting only 8 or 9 months for an upgrade to a critically flawed device is not that long to wait.
I think I sold mine either right before you or right after you. While the M600i "may" be okay now, it certainly wasn't then and SE did little to fix it. They did however lose to very loyal customers. If you consider that we are average, I wonder how many more customers they lost because of this phone. It stands to reason as well that those that left went to the Nokia E61 series phone. This should give SE a hint if where they should be spending some of their money.
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Posted: 2007-05-18 08:46:53
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On 2007-05-17 21:27:02, QVGA wrote:
agree with this Sofia BS. just look at the rumors thread, its got 4000 posts where users just absolutely make up their own phones, i am sorry but all the phones mentioned on its first page are NON existent. Let it go, you dont know squat, you get your expectations so high and thats why you end up disappointed.
Well if all that we knew on the first page of the rumours thread was gospel then it wouldn't be in the
Rumours thread would it???? I suggest you look the word up.
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Posted: 2007-05-18 09:10:03
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On 2007-05-18 09:10:03, goldenface wrote:
On 2007-05-17 21:27:02, QVGA wrote:
agree with this Sofia BS. just look at the rumors thread, its got 4000 posts where users just absolutely make up their own phones, i am sorry but all the phones mentioned on its first page are NON existent. Let it go, you dont know squat, you get your expectations so high and thats why you end up disappointed.
Well if all that we knew on the first page of the rumours thread was gospel then it wouldn't be in the
Rumours thread would it???? I suggest you look the word up.
no, the fact that they've made up the model numbers, specs, designs is quite baffling.
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Posted: 2007-05-18 09:19:41
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On 2007-05-18 01:07:15, sapporobaby wrote:
On 2007-05-17 21:42:49, londonlad123 wrote:
Sometimes high tech gadgets are not a necessity.
n95 is only a good phone if you download 100mb files on hsdpa on the go regularly, record plenty of video, need plenty of high quality pics, rely on it to be your gps instead of an accurate tomtom and can recharge it very often.
But for internet surfing, emails, good quality pics when you need it, as a phone (long battery life), better mp3 player quality (subjective) and build (candybar) the P1i is better.
No point having gps with no need for it, 5mpx and vga vid and then using it rarely, hardly ever using hsdpa, if ever.
Se is doing fine.
Your entire post is subjective and based solely on your myopic view. Sales of the N95 say otherwise.
SE is being buried alive by one phone.
Lets see some figures and stats to support your "argument", ever heard of the phrase "the pot calling the kettle black!!".
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Posted: 2007-05-18 09:59:47
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On 2007-05-18 09:59:47, mweb6161 wrote:
On 2007-05-18 01:07:15, sapporobaby wrote:
On 2007-05-17 21:42:49, londonlad123 wrote:
Sometimes high tech gadgets are not a necessity.
n95 is only a good phone if you download 100mb files on hsdpa on the go regularly, record plenty of video, need plenty of high quality pics, rely on it to be your gps instead of an accurate tomtom and can recharge it very often.
But for internet surfing, emails, good quality pics when you need it, as a phone (long battery life), better mp3 player quality (subjective) and build (candybar) the P1i is better.
No point having gps with no need for it, 5mpx and vga vid and then using it rarely, hardly ever using hsdpa, if ever.
Se is doing fine.
Your entire post is subjective and based solely on your myopic view. Sales of the N95 say otherwise.
SE is being buried alive by one phone.
Lets see some figures and stats to support your "argument", ever heard of the phrase "the pot calling the kettle black!!".
Do your own homework dude. It was mentioned on this very forum, probably by Axxr (I think about) Nokia N95 sales in the UK. The phone is selling quite briskly, as here in Finland and though out much of Europe. Bear in mind that the phone has only been out a few weeks.
Here is your first and last freebie from me:
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/products/tracker.asp?men=11&p=102
My buried alive comment was for dramatic effect. SE is not going anywhere nor is Nokia. Right now, Nokia is in a much better position in the high-end market.
Sales figures bear that out. Don't you agree?
Ever hear this one:
LIGHT TRAVELS FASTER THAN SOUND, WHICH IS WHY SOME PEOPLE APPEAR BRIGHT UNTIL YOU HEAR THEM SPEAK.
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[ This Message was edited by: sapporobaby on 2007-05-18 09:23 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-18 10:17:10
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@QVGA
I understand but the thread is just bits of info from all over the web in the one place, no-one would swear by it.
The info about Sofia / K850i actually came from some respected members of Mobile Review last year - Eldar himself I think.
So if anyone should know then he should, unless you would like to go and tell him yourself that he knows squat.
Personally, I wouldn't.
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Posted: 2007-05-18 10:18:14
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Indeed Goldenface that's correct, all rumours will come to fruition sooner or later, Eldar is in london right now and we expect exciting news shortly.
BTW i have zero intention of entering a slanging match with the guy from Nokialand, there is always room for people to hold opposing views on a topic without getting personal!!
Calling people who hold a different view to one's own "myopic" etc, is hardly a recipe for decent debate.
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[ This Message was edited by: mweb6161 on 2007-05-18 10:39 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-18 10:50:49
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On 2007-05-18 10:50:49, mweb6161 wrote:
Indeed Goldenface that's correct, all rumours will come to fruition sooner or later, Eldar is in london right now and we expect exciting news shortly.
BTW i have zero intention of entering a slanging match with the guy from Nokialand, there is always room for people to hold opposing views on a topic without getting personal!!
Dude you mentioned the calling the kettle black remark first. I don't need to slag with you about anything. This is all subjective. Second, your opinion is just as good as mine. No one said that you can not have an opinion. It looks like you have no backup to what I posted. You wanted facts and figures. I gave them to. If you can nor refute my info, fine. The facts speak for themselves. Now if you have data contrary, by all means post it, until then you have no basis against what I have said about SE vs. Nokia.
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Posted: 2007-05-18 11:08:58
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The whole thread is based on a mis-presumption really, SE is small fry compared to Nokia, The real threat to them ought to come from Samsung & Motorola, but it's remarkable how you never hear people witter on endlessly about the lack of Top end models from those companies.
Of course merely the two letters S&E is like a red rag to a bull to some brand devotees.
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Posted: 2007-05-18 11:53:40
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@mweb6161
Usually i agree with a lot that you say but here i am going to disagree to suggest that no one really needs HSDPA and that it is a waste of time may be true for some. But then why are the buying top end smart phone devices maybe they should just use CSD @9,600 or 14,400 and while they are at it get rid of the unnecessary Broadband and go back to dial up. Can no one else see how ridiculous that is to suggest. The only reason some are slating it is the fact that currently SE don't offer it.
I don't doubt the people that have leaked the info for the 5 mega Pixel camera phone and that they have done so with good information and intentions. But what in the world is taking so long as lets face it is only a camera phone there really can't be any real problems in implementing the tech required, can there? Since these rumours started Nokia have already launched one 5mega pixel camera in a smart phone and just announced another with a launch date and in all that time SE still have not even announced it never mind a launch date. What the hell are they doing? it really can't take this long.
It really is a very simple fact that Ericsson used to lead the way with innovation and Tech advancements and unfortunately either are not interested in this market segment any longer or are unable to deliver. I really don't know which it is or for that matter even care.
After having been a Ericsson and the SE user virtually exclusively since the launch of Mobile phones, I have now not owned an SE for nearly a Year. Initially i was really concerned i wouldn't be able to survive without a Touchscreen which through experience has proved to be false. As i have said many times before if and when SE offer something i desire i will return but not on a freshly launched product as SE actions mean they no longer have my trust on newly launched products and i will wait for real users experience before purchasing anything from SE again, which i really find a very sorry state of affairs.
Finally the reason these type of discussions start and that no one moans about other manufacturers is most of us here are Ericsson and now SE fans and this is what we had come to expect from them. Maybe we just need to realise that SE is not the great company Ericsson was and realise to expect top end devices is no longer realistic which IMO would be really sad and mean that SE are just fashion and a mid range phone manufacturer and no longer pushing the innovation's and top spec some of us desire.
As you have brought up Motorola how come they have been able to launch the first non touchscreen UIQ3 device before SE who are rumoured to have one. Also how come Moto can implement all the latest tech in it when SE either can't or won't on their own devices, how very sad.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-18 14:50 ]
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