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yes,im very much aware of all those..
It seems those are mpeg4-v streams..
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Posted: 2007-09-21 07:28:45
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I guess it's a loose definition.

either way, it's a low quality stream not the higher quality H.264.
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Posted: 2007-09-21 07:37:18
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I checked out some more vids in this thread: http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=153624&start=60

and I have to say it's definitely H.263, but it's still good for H.263. AS a comparison, recording quality is about the same or a bit poorer than N70 when the subject is moving quickly, but slightly better quality when the subject is motionless or moving slowly.
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Posted: 2007-09-24 13:04:15
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@Max Wedge,

This SE are growing their market share and improving profits before they will start producing what so many of you seem to want is stating to wear a little thin. This has been said since the launch of the P990 over a year ago now, just how long and how big a market share are they going to need before they start delivering maybe another 3-5 years will see them in a position to do this ? This has to be the worst and most feeble justification for not updating specs i have ever heard. mainly because the have proved they can do it, as they have in the K850 minus of course still VGA video recording. Just not their so called flagship smart phone devices which IMO makes it all the more strange.

As to SE are the only ones to offer a touchscreen UI well come next year that is going to change when Nokia are due to launch a S60 touchscreen device and you can bet as a premium or even flagship device it will have everything that is up to date and available spec wise. Even though i am no longer a fan of touch screen devices, i am curious to see just what they deliver and how well implemented it is but i do expect it to be quite an amazing device especially with the wealth of both free apps direct from Nokia and either free or paid apps from other developers. Which means setting it up to do what most need is just so easy and hassle free.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-24 13:22 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-24 14:20:27
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It could be another 5 years mate, it's not gonna be that easy to creep up on Nokia. And to say they don't update specs??? They are updating their specs as often as Nokia, but because they are behind the eight ball to start with, they haven't caught up with Nokia, but this is not the same as "never updating their specs". BTW, I'm happy to discuss this with you, but I don't appreciate you using words such as "feeble" and "excuse". I might be wrong sometimes but I don't make feeble arguments, I alway have put a lot of thought into my arguments. And I don't make excuses for anyone. If you don't agree with me fine but what makes you think you can respond with such derision and contempt? I mean come one buddy we are all friends here let's be nice to eachother hey?

If you weren't biased against SE, you wouldn't see their current models as such failures. The fact is SE have some great phones at the moment, and you say we are making excuses for them because they don't have phones with as much current tech as Nokia?? They have a tiny marketshare compared to Nokia, they have a fraction of the development money to churn into new models, of course they are going to cut corners somewhere. Atleast they cut corners on features and not quality.

Oh and about touchscreens, so now that Nokia are releasing a touchscreen suddenly they are going to do it better than anyone else? What's wrong with SE touchscreens anyway? I doubt you have much experience with them. So your Nokia bias shows clearly in the way you assume Nokia will do touchscreen better than anyone.

And also let's wait and see whether their touchscreen device is a flagship device or just a niche device like the communicator, with not much going for it but a touchscreen and maybe push email (ie: a business handset without all the "unnecesary" multimedia punch of the N95.

I also love (not) how you even manage to make out that the touchscreen is suddenly the obvious thing to have in a flagship device now that Nokia are bringing one out, but still can't give any credit to SE for having had the touchscreen all along. A year ago you openly derided anyone as irrelevant if they used SE Touchscreen to argue that SE had an edge on Nokia in the PDA segment. Now it seems Nokia can ignore the need for Toucscreen no longer. The fact is, if you choose to do your homework, Nokia have had problems getting the Touchscreen aspect of s60 working adequately (s90 was a flop too), so don't take a Nokia failure and turn it into a virtue.

They finally after years of development get a touchscreen to market (the last touch screen they had ran UIQ), and you claim this as a coup? Yet SE finally get HSDPA and all you can say is "what took them so long?".

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[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2007-09-24 23:28 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-25 00:18:11
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I saw the LG KU990 can capture video in 120fps QVGA But it saves in 15fps. The idea of slowed motion video is so great. AND, this device is capable of VGA 30fps, too!

Shame on K850....



[ This Message was edited by: repeater on 2007-09-26 10:31 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-26 11:26:05
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looks like i'm going to keep my k800.,

better wait for a camera phone that can record videos in VGA resolution.,
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Posted: 2007-09-26 13:03:44
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@MaxWedge

OK sorry you took my comments as personal insults that is not how they were meant as these reasons are made by not just you. You are not the only one coming up with these excuses as to why SE are not updating enough of their devices with the latest spec. The most obvious of all of these are the smart phone and Flagship devices that are all still based on the same hardware that was announced as new in 2005 for the P990. These flagship devices in all this time have been updated only with 64mb Ram and WiFi b and a better Camera whilst all around many manufacturers are all using faster processors proper graphics chips and of course HSDPA even in non smart phones.

I also don't know where you get this idea that i see all SE devices as failures either talk about putting words in my mouth i have never said. I have praised the K850 as it has the most up to date of all SE devices so far just still missing VGA video recording that many seem to really want/need. I have also praised the T650, yes i am critical of the SE Smart phones and IMO rightly so they have manly cosmetic changes plus of course the extra 64mb Ram to overcome this major problem with UIQ3. Other than that some have had WiFi b and in some cases a camera none of this can be called groundbreaking or even up to date spec's. These devices are still running the same hardware as announced for the P990 in 2005 when it was fresh and new. Over 2 years later these specs are very dated if not in mobile terms ancient.


Your next point i just don't know where you have got such a ridiculous notion from. I have used Ericsson and then SE devices for well over 20 Years whilst i have used Nokia for just over a year.

As to my experience with UIQ touchscreen devices i have owned all but the P800 as that never appealed to me and as i was not an early adopter of this device was able to avoid it and it problems. Up until i bought my M600 my previous device was a P910 which if it hadn't suddenly decided to no longer sync to Outlook rendering it useless i would of carried on using it. On buying my M600 even after the first two firmware updates i was appalled as to how anyone @SE could of seen fit to release these devices in such a terrible state and the support and upgraded firmware that also took far to long to arrive or remedy many of the problems that then saw SE stop support on just year old devices. If criticism of these actions makes me an SE hater as opposed to a realist and giving criticism where i see them doing wrong then we have very different definitions of being anti or hating a Company is all i can say.


As to your comment of my viewing the Nokia touchscreen as going to be the best and touch screens are now so great perhaps you should of read my post properly as this is what i actually said.

"when Nokia are due to launch a S60 touchscreen device and you can bet as a premium or even flagship device it will have everything that is up to date and available spec wise. Even though i am no longer a fan of touch screen devices, i am curious to see just what they deliver and how well implemented it is but i do expect it to be quite an amazing device"

This really isn't in any way close to what you are happy to suggest i have said is it?

I think you really should look at what you post and are happy ti suggest MO is when you seem to constantly get it so wrong so often.

In case you missed it i was also critical of the E90 not due to it's build or stability but just the fact that as Flagship and most advanced device it as an E series only got the E Series Music player and not the best as found in the N series.

So please stop claiming i only praise Nokia because that also is untrue, i can't help the fact that all the Nokia devices i have had have not had the faults that some do have but trust me if any of my future devices have problems you and everyone else will know all about them. But my N73, N93, N95 and even my current device E61 have all been as they should not one has suffered any of the reported problems others have encountered maybe i am just lucky with my devices. But i can't invent problems with my devices just to make others happy and support there experiences.


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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-26 21:21 ]
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I say again, why do you call it excuses?? It's only in your mind and a few disgruntled former SE users who think that people who still see SE phones as excellent value are making excuses for SE. Did it ever occur to you that we aren't making excuses. That we actually believe that SE are doing a good job? We aren't all feature whores. Just because you don't think SE are updating their phones as quickly as you would like, doesn't mean we have to agree with you. We are not making excuses for anyone, we just happen to not agree with you.


because every word (except your statement about K850) you say you are moaning about SE's lack of features compared to Nokia. Sorry but from a third party perspective, this is what many of us think of dogmann: the guy who is pissed off with SE and thinks their ph0ones are all lame.


A brief ray of sunshine in your otherwise obvious contempt for SE


and in the meantime they have expanded their mid range handset portfolio with some stylish handsets to suit most segments of the non-smartphone market. As I've said before you can't expect a company with 8% of the market to concentrate on high end if they want to increase marketshare. You have to give them credit for trying very hard, and succeeding, in increasing the mid range market appeal. SE NEED to do this to build marketshare, so they can get back to the job of producing leading edge high end smarphones. This is not an excuse, it's just a fact. I support SE goals in this respect.


P910 didn't have any of the problems of P990, and if inability to sync with MS outlook soured you against SE you do SE a disservice. It's OUTLOOK for God's sake, a MS product. I hardly expect the problem is with SE, in my experience Outlook is very flaky.

The P990 problems were very real, but the people who still have P990's on the whole are very happy with their phone. The dissatisfaction with P990 is dead and buiried for most, only disgruntled users like you hang on to it.

It's the vehemence with which you consistantly berate SE but very rarely praise, and the bias from which you operate. You claim you have had no problems with any of your Nokia's and that this is proof perfect of their stability. Yet many people claim poor build quality, firmware problems, instability of various Nokia phones. You dismiss all that out of hand, but believe the people who have never had any problems with SE phones are atypical. This is bias my friend plain and simple.


I admit I jumped the gun here. I still think though that you show your bias in the way you are arguing that Nokia will have a touchscreen, but still can't get that SE has had one since the start. If someone uses a touchscreen, the fact is Nokia have not catered to them, wouldn't this piss such a person off as much as lack of good video or hsdpa seems to piss you off about SE? It's horses for courses mate.

SE might be a year late on wifig or hsdpa, but Nokia is 6 years late on touchscreen. If I was a Nokia user waiting for touchscreen, I would have jumped ship to SE 5 years ago.


All the people I know personally who use SE phones have nothing but praise and good experiences. Even on these forums, when P990 came out with all the firmware problems, many P990 users sailed through without any problems what so ever, and have loved their P990's the whole time.

When K750 had some minor firmware issues, and one major problem, only a small percentage of people actually had the problems, and eventually firmware came out that fixed all the problems. It's worth noting that many of the people who had problems had updated from perfectly working firmware to the latest release firmware which happened to be one of the dodgy versions. That's like updating to Vista as soon as it came out. Why would someone update a perfectly working phone without waiting to see what the issues would be? And if you are not a technical type capable of checking out these issues, WHY UPDATE? Yet every single one of those people posted on esato about how crap K750 was. Moaning and bitching without end, because they had screwed their phone up just to have the latest firmware, when their phone was working fine anyway (the problem they got was the file transfer bug, otherwise everything worked fine). I have no sympathy for them.

I have an N70. It's a crash monkey with many firmware faults that Nokia have never addressed. Now when I talk about how crap the N70 is even Nokia people say well it's the OLD version of s60, you should compare against N73, etc etc. In other words THEY ARE MAKING EXCUSES FOR NOKIA. But in the end, K750 is a much more stable platform than N70, with better camera and better media player. BUT, at the time the N70 was current, the SAME PEOPLE who now claim I shouldn't use the N70 as an example, were arguing with me that N70 was the bees knees and a K750 beater.




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[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2007-09-27 01:11 ]
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@max_wedge

I really don't understand you some times yes i point out missing features but mainly in the so called flagship smart phones which by any ones definition are seriously out dated. I don't really comment on other SE phone as have little to no interest in them again this suggestion i constantly slate SE is all in your mind not in reality. Many SE users are unhappy at just the repackaging of devices with no real improvements i haven't commented on this at all this is what other SE users are saying not me.

Max it is not just Nokia that have all these new features it is virtually every other manufacturer and i never compare them directly to Nokia just another case of you jumping to the wrong conclusions to fit your response.


You say I have contempt for SE to right i do how they could release to the paying public UIQ3 devices in the state they were in deserves contempt by the bucket load. The way they acted after this with no communication and firmware taking two months at time and fixing very little also deserves criticism as that is just not the way to treat loyal users it is abusing their trust and the money they have paid for their devices that promised so much and failed to deliver for so long. How you can see any of SE actions over this as OK or justifiable is just beyond belief.

Sorry but what a load of rubbish about expanding the mid range blah blah blah same old rubbish again, funny they had enough money to spend on buying out UIQ you would of thought after investing all that money in it they may of tried producing newer specified handsets rather than sticking to the same old hardware even 2 years later.

The fact my P910 stopped syncing with Outlook had nothing to do with Outlook it was all to do with the still crappy SE PC suite as many other all over Forums have also reported these problems not just me. It didn't sour my attitude towards SE at all as i then bought what i expected to be my dream device the M600 boy how wrong was i. Even after two firmware upgrades it was a joke being slow was the least of it's problems it was not even fit for purpose and SE had no right to launch such an unfinished product and expect their users to have to wait over 6 months for it to even become functional and relatively stable. So yes this did sour my attitude towards SE and quite rightly so IMO they realeased a not fit for purpose product and continued to sell it and take their customers money knowing exactly how bad it was, that is an abuse of trust.

The biggest joke ever was how any manufacture could dare put on their device the message "Your device has restarted to improve performance" which meant they knew from day one it was going to reboot by itself at various times that is just ridiculous behaviour from any ones point of view.
Yes the P990's problems where and are very real but how you can say most users are happy is based on what? maybe you should read some other forums and see how happy people that paid close to £500 or over for a flagship device that failed to deliver on virtually every thing it promised feel and just how many of those that buy for entire cooperation's vowed never to buy an SE smart phone again to gain some real perspective besides the SE fan boys that will say say it 's all good.

Again what in the hell are you talking about i have never denied that some have problems with their devices be it software or build quality and have stated many times that not every device is perfect but the ones i have been lucky enough to own have been. So again you are making it seem i have said things i haven't check my posts before making unsupportable claims that you can't back up.

At last you admit you jumped the gun just a shame it's not just this once but something you are happy to do constantly you are happy to make all these claims of things i have said which quite frankly are rubbish and untrue but of course the truth wouldn't support how you like to portray my bias would it?

As for this statement this has to be one of the funniest things i have ever read in my whole life.

"All the people I know personally who use SE phones have nothing but praise and good experiences. Even on these forums, when P990 came out with all the firmware problems, many P990 users sailed through without any problems what so ever, and have loved their P990's the whole time."


I humbly suggest you go back and re read the P990 threads from the start with devices rebooting at random or on receiving incoming calls, SMS messages not arriving without a reboot, phones appearing to be working whilst any one phoning them not getting a response talk about selective memory you really are having a laugh with this one. I really don't know where you get the audacity to suggest something quite so absurd and so far removed from the truth. Maybe you should also go to My Symbian and read how people felt from day one to the present about their wonderful P990's it's an interesting read and paints a very different picture to the fantasy your portray.

No one has claimed the N70 was perfect that i have ever seen but it was my first S60 and if it was half as bad as you suggest i really can't imagine i would of stuck with S60 or Nokia.

Forget about the K750 lets look at the K800 where nearly all the early released models required a trip to a service centre as the EROM caused the device to no longer switch on and that wasn't an isolated case it was nearly all of them. What happened to SE quality control and testing that missed this major flaw then? Most probably the same testers that thought UIQ3 devices where fit for launch.

I find it really funny you are happy to accuse me of being a Nokia Fan Boy and SE hater when it is very obvious you are one the biggest SE Fan Boys going as according to you SE are just fantastic love their customers and always give them the best with unbeatable back up and service. If only half of that rubbish was true SE would be a much better company than it currently is. It treats it's users with contempt and is only interested in one thing from it's users there money and unfortunately that is the reality. The reason SE don't have to bother updating specs is it would cost them more and they can still sell the same old hardware in a new case for top prices why change if that's what ther customers accept their is no need to. But look around and see how many SE users are now sick and tired of this attitude and have now started to look elsewhere for there devices and the numbers aren't small either and are still growing to.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-29 18:41 ]
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