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@Makbil,
Excellent post that puts all the relevant points across clearly and as a long term SE user hopefully no one will be foolish enough to dare suggest you are a Nokia Fan Boy or an SE hater.
@all
Really what i think a lot of people forget is that virtually everyone that is on ESATO was originally either an Ericsson or SE fan. But there are some of us that are very disappointed by what has happened of late and rather than continually making excuses for SE's lack of innovation and customer satisfaction we dare criticize their actions.
@>500
Not only because of threads like these, these people pop up in most threads clamming how bad and rubbish NOKIA are and then defend anything that SE do as just little bugs. Just look at how long it takes for SE to release a new firmware to correct things that should of been fixed prior to release, how could they possibly of released the P1 still with two major bugs that they knew where still in the P990. Same with the K850 yes some people's are fine but then some on are on their 2nd one already and still having problems and it's not just one thing wrong either is it? Just how long before SE even release a firmware update to address some of these issues? and i can't see any firmware stopping dust getting under the lens. Which however you look at it is not a good thing for a flagship camera phone now is it?
For well over a year now we have been told don't worry SE are going to really deliver with the next announcement and just how many times have we heard this and what has happened nothing much really is the answer. There may well be hardcore of SE fans and loyal supporters but this number is not growing it's getting smaller as SE fail to deliver more and more are now doing the unthinkable and going elsewhere for there devices.
If we all do nothing but tell SE how great they are how are they going to learn they need to change? unfortunately it appears that telling them anything is pointless as they just don't react or engage their users any longer and just do what they want as proved by the P990 users and the open letter to the new CEO that has not even received the courtesy of a acknowledgement. These next announcements really need to show us some of the old Ericsson and SE spirit and not just nice new designs with still the same old hardware or this exodus of SE users will continue.
As for the OP and the question he asks the answer is really simple It's because currently they are.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-10-30 15:09 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-30 16:07:57
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I know my opinion may not count for much, but I dont see the point of so many arguments of SE Vs Nokia and SE vs the Rest, Nokia Vs the rest etc..
Each person differs in what they require from a cellphone and this requirement may change over a period of time. SE as of now from what their releases are aimed at seem to be targeting the youth and basically the end user whose requirement is a reliable phone with basic multimedia capabilities. Eg: My mom, she uses a Z610, and she does'nt use the cam nor music nor even texts, just as a phone, or my cousin for example, all she wants is a snazzy youthful looking thing where the sound quality really does'nt matter as long as it plays music(Shes got the W580).
On the other hand I use a Motorola ROKR E6(along with many other phones
) but the ROKR E6 is my primary phone(Many of you would go ewwww) but what I need from a phone is modding flexability or programming flexability, which the ROKR offers me, With 45 MB ram I can run 20 apps simultaneousl using a 32MB swap file, I can overclock when required, It has Rockbox(www.rockbox.org) ported and music is amazing, I've got Mplayer on it for mpg and avi files, I can run Turbo C++ on it through DOSBOX blah blah blah blah
So in short my phone can do better than what most Nokias and SE do in the Smartphone filed, basically my E6 is a tiny computer(after hell of a lot of hacking)
Whilst there are other end users who do not have the time to hack linux phones such as the E6 to suit there needs and thats where Nokia comes in at the moment, they;ve thrown in everything at the cost of reliability methinks(after owning an N73ME as soon as it was released, it was a pain in the a*** with the Ringtones not playing if the music player was played but that was sorted out). We'll where revolutionary phones are concerned Nokia are market leaders but they;ve got the funds with all their profits etc.
The bottom line is its your hard earned money and you for sure will spend it where you think fit. Eventually the cellphone manufacturers are not paying you to use their phones so its no point arguing over which manufacturer is better, when buying a new phone list out your requiremnts, short list from all Manufacturers and use each one of them, including the LG's, Smasungs and Motos, and then decide which phone you want, not just blindly buy a Nokia or SE or Moto just because your last few phones were from that company.
We'll thats a long rant. I apoogise for a rant and if its slightly off topic, but I hope it at least made some people think and spend their money wisely next time they buy their phones, I know I am, going for the N95 8GB next
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(just ate my own words!)
[ This Message was edited by: Hlcn Twst on 2007-12-06 15:07 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-31 19:17:13
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@aksd
well said mate
the is wat we should do and think
but as human nature , we dont:P
all ppl r looking for the best, even if we dont use all wat we got
and cuz we have such a device , or anything else
this thing we have must be the best
and we compare with other companies
to prove that we have the best
but am with u , its hard to compare , if we dont know wats the company's target, r they looking for high end user, or mid, or low:)
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@Hlcn Twst
hmmm.. the w810 has been one of the most durable se phones to date.. even if you search through these forums you'll find very few complaints about it.. i've had the s700/710 and w810 and treated them like crap.. i even treat my k790a like crap and they work...
the problem with SE is they give you the perception that you should baby your phones...but honestly it's not necessary.
in terms of pricing... what resellers rape you for and and what se tends to sell for are too completedly different things that you seem to be mixing up..
when the n95-1 first came out about a year ago it was $900 US (resellers) quickly dropped to $750US and now sits at $650US
the n95-3 came out the gate from the nokia store at 699.99 US 6 monhts later
the n95-2 is about $799 US now from the nokia store..
you can't buy the k850i from an official store like nokia products...maybe at a few sony stores but not everywhere... and everyone knows the sony store is the biggest ripoff out there.... lol
so what you get is retarded reseller raping prices.. the k850i was $700 usd when it first hit ebay.. why? cause there are people out there willing to buy.. and now it's hit a more reasonable reseller price in the $500 usd range..
i can tell you that a k850i for me costs $500 cad and a n95-3 costs me $750 cad if i were to walk into my local cellphone shop. for me the k850 is better value..even though still overpriced IMO.
as far as camera is concerned.. i agree the n95 takes better pictures in general.. but the k850 offers "comparable" quality but is more versatile due to speed, size and flash. if you've ever used your k790 comparing it with the n95 out at the bars at night you'd know what i mean...
having said that the n95-2 is a lot faster in saving and starting then the n95-3 i had. in regards to mac... se is slow very slow to add support but they are doing it in all fairness..and it's free.
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[ This Message was edited by: DragonEye on 2007-11-02 14:56 ]
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Posted: 2007-11-02 15:50:15
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[ This Message was edited by: Hlcn Twst on 2007-12-06 15:06 ]
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