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@gucci
its not so much slower as such, well with some apps yes it is. But that difference in cpu speed wouldnt make a HUGE difference, especially with the added ram now.
more on the build quality, as i said, when its closed (the slider) you can sorta move it side to side, not a lot, but i didnt expect it to do it at all. And 2 dpad buttons and couple number keys are creaky/loose....
i guess i got rid of it as i prefer the size of the k850, which i will get another soon.
still a great phone apart from them things. Dogmann has outlined many of the positives i would have mentioned..........
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Posted: 2007-11-20 08:26:48
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On 2007-11-20 04:34:57, themarques wrote:
Regarding demand paging, it pretty much best described as a content manager, in that it will pretty much have the application you require in sleep mode until you require it then upon request it wakes from sleep and puts the other apps to sleep (so to speak) This obviously means that there is less cpu activity in trying to keep 3 or 4 apps open at the same time meaning that the battery should in theory last you just that bit longer.
I thought demand paging is related to loading of program into RAM. i.e. only the part of program that is executing is loaded into RAM instead of loading the entire program into RAM which requires more disk access.
Demand paging only makes difference for BIG program like web-browser or video player.
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Posted: 2007-11-20 10:06:54
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@mib1800 & themarques.
Cheers guys for both your explanations thats more or less cleared it up for me. This demand paging sounds very useful & quite innovative but one last question. Is this purely a Nokia initiative? or can we expect to see demand paging (or versions of it) in other smartphones? (SE, Motorola etc)
Thanks
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Posted: 2007-11-20 11:39:25
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@GUCCI.011
Sorry but that information is wrong, i know there have been some JB Benchmarks on the Net and i don't know why but they have incorrect results. The N95 8GB uses the same OAMP 2340 running @332MHZ as is definitely not running slower than the original. The 292mhz chip as found in some Nokia smart phones is a different chip entirely.
@>500
Yes that is a problem with the Music player re closing it but as their is so much Ram and leaving it running resolves the slow opening issue it is not a problem IMO. Also that is why Handy Taskman is so good as you get the option to kill stubborn apps that don't wish to close.
@all
Since i have reformatted the Mass memory and managed to clean it for the first time i saw 7.66gb free which was nice. Also since then and leaving the Music Player in the background i am pleased to say it now runs much quicker and smooth as does the Multimedia menu. Although i have now rearranged this so it opens with the Music Player then Gallery and then Internet and that is all i am using it for, i still prefer the original Carousel although am getting used to this one now. In fact since reformatting and moving to the Black 1.4 theme previously posted my device has become much faster and stable now just waiting for new firmware to be able to debrand the last traces of VodaFone from this device. Which according to some reports is any time now.
I have also now installed Tom Tom 6 which i am using with my Holox BT-321 GPS receiver and it works beautifully as it has always done on my S60 devices.
Alpha Trion
My understanding of Demand paging is a combination of what both Mib1800 & The Marques has said i will try and find a link that describes it in greater detail for you.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-10 16:28 ]
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Posted: 2007-11-20 13:03:25
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here is a page on symbian.com describing demand paging fairly well
its pretty much what it says on the box. pages (whose size is generally determined by the architecture) of data or program code is only loaded into memory when it is actually needed rather than loadnig a whole program at once.
This is usually a feature of operating systems that support virtual memory as it allows for programs that are larger than the physical memory of the device.
Some operating system also try to predict what pages will be neeed next for further performance enhancements.
anyway, have a read on that link as it seems like a good read though I'm not sure exactly how much this saves on battery life in devices without power guzzling hard drives. I guess it will have some impact as clearly the device has less work to do to make the program available for execution and any battery saving is useful in the end
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Posted: 2007-11-20 13:17:52
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On 2007-11-20 04:20:13, Ridahz wrote:
Hmmm really considering this phone...
Is there really any diff between this and N95 apart from the obvious?
Looking at a N95 or N95 8GB now
Appart from the Colour, The Smaller keys,
and bit bigger display and 8GB theres a difference
I wish I asked Vodafone about this over the phone last week they may of let me have it abit cheaper and I know the take in old handsets and give you £100 for them too ...
Sigh.. well im sure 2009 for this phone will be worth the wait im sure i'll get 1 for £75 me hopes then from Vodafone
btw does anyone know how to get the Voda live settings and MMS sent to there phone? I want them for my N80IE
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Posted: 2007-11-20 13:35:24
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On 2007-11-20 07:10:59, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Did any of you guys know that the N95-8GB is running a slower CPU than normal N95? N95-8GB running a 292mhz processor whilest normal N95 running 334mhz,check the JBenchmark site
are you sure about that? I didn't find N95 8GB on the JBenchmark site. Can you give us the link?
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Posted: 2007-11-20 13:36:28
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hope this helps
http://www.dpsoftware.org/result.php?marca=nokia&modello=n95_8gb
or this is better
http://www.jbenchmark.com/pho[....]Nokia%20N95%208GB&benchmark=hd
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Posted: 2007-11-20 14:56:18
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@Ridahz
Sorry missed your post earlier, it really depends what you mean by the obvious but here are the differences.
All black and better build qaulity
Bigger larger brighter screen
25% larger battery that due to demand paging estimated to give an extra 50% Battery life performance
128m Ram with demand paging making it more efficient and considerably faster.
Start down to 22seconds from 35 seconds and moving through the Menu and apps is also faster.
8gb flash memory drive already installed.
I don't think i missed anything but it really is very different to the original IMO.
@all
I really have no idea what is going on at JB Benchmarks but even though there results say estimated they are just so wrong check out the rating for the P1 as it says it has a CPU @177mnz and we all that is 208mhz it also says it has a 16million colour screen and we know that is a 256k screen. Also for most things it only gives 1 star to the P1 so i really don't know what is happening but their figures all seem very off IMO.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-11-20 16:36 ]
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Posted: 2007-11-20 17:25:07
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is the 8gb really so faster? i was reading some very good reviwe and talked to some users, who told me, its a bit faster, but not that much
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Posted: 2007-11-20 19:17:22
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