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but i am not wiping SE off.
no one can imagine a phone can get an auto focus module into it and blend it nicely like a camera.
yes SE dont deserve the sole credit but same as all other phone maker since non of them having their own camera module unit...all purchase off the shelf or customized design from CMOS maker like sony/ previously agilent/ ST micro/ Largen/ samsung electronics etc etc module maker
SE in my opinion doing very well in their marketing innovation with walkman....cybershot is kinda lame but I think we see the down fall during the I "SE" ???
the key is management and marketing innovation....its getting tough to be technologically innovative on phone. Maybe its just my brain alone cannot think so far but its getting tough to imagine what else can put into a device don't you think?
I am not talking about putting in HD quality...coz tht is just getting better LCD screen with a processor that able to read HD data....but seriously nothing is there.
size...Siemens have impress us with the S25 and C25 phone tht is so small....they even come out the first slider SL10 with 3 color screen when no one does.
Motorola is always the pioneer with some legacy no one can argue (1st mobile phone maker...1st star tac....1st razr...)
Ericsson is lithium polymer....they also have T38...the phone tht eventually be T39 which is smallest BT phone with triband ...plus Ericsson invented Bluetooth.....and I can see Ericsson is the one that started all the standardization of connectors on their phone...yes it get irritating now SE refuse to put a 3.5mm audio jack in but that is as a way .... keeping that legacy even many hates it.
nokia on the other hand come out with first antenna less phone 3210... you cannot say Nokia never get innovative...given the previous CEO take the risk to abandone all other nokia business (TV, Tyres...papers etc) and focus on mobile phone. But I do notice they are good in reinventing themselve whenever they face crisis....i think some will remember in 2003- 2004....nokia also suffered for a short time in volume shipment as their camera phone is not appalling ...but they turn it around
now I just hope SE able to find a proper solutions in getting a powerful chip to run smooth 3D game so Sony can provide the rights on PSP phone
I don't think it is true Sony don't want to give it to SE because of Sony trying to build their own phone....coz making a gaming device is not the same as making a phone...since Sony don't own a phone development dept...how can they afford to spend more $$$$ to bring up a phone unit.
I see the fact is.....no one can find a processor tht don't consume so much of power and generate so much heat for phone to be able to run nice 3D games tht is way better than what N gage can offer.
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Posted: 2009-01-30 05:10:05
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On 2009-01-30 02:20:56, Brightspark wrote:
On 2009-01-30 02:01:04, c96sthl wrote:
same to Motorola which seem to be even worst in term of reinventing themselve.....
a lot of innovation from SE inherit from Ericsson....
i'm glad someone realises this about ericsson. the most inventive brands throughout the history of mobile phones are:
-motorola (yes, moto have been reinventing themselves in the last 2 years. but throughout the history of the mobile phone, there are few that can touch motorola in terms of innovation and their pervasive influence throughout the mobile phone world, even today)
-siemens (a forgotten brand, but responsible for much of the features that are considered standard in phones today)
-ericsson
the above 3 brands make up about 90% of all innovations in the world of mobile phone. sony ericsson, in contrast, has contributed nothing. zilch. nadir. i
in 2009, we can all see the following trends running throughout sony ericsson:
-backwards technology(they have been well and truly overtaken by the top 4 brands in all aspects)
-overly expensive for what they offer. they are offering relatively low quality phones with relatively few features at overly high prices.
-consistently and recurringly glitchy software and relatively poorly constructed hardware
-boring copy&paste designs lacking in innovation, imagination, and aesthetic appeal.
-falling sales and profits
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-30 01:37 ]
I joined Esato when I first using my T39... the phone failed only 2yrs ago when the plastic degraded at the antenna
it lasted for almost 6yrs.
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Posted: 2009-01-30 05:13:39
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On 2009-01-30 05:13:39, c96sthl wrote:
On 2009-01-30 02:20:56, Brightspark wrote:
On 2009-01-30 02:01:04, c96sthl wrote:
same to Motorola which seem to be even worst in term of reinventing themselve.....
a lot of innovation from SE inherit from Ericsson....
i'm glad someone realises this about ericsson. the most inventive brands throughout the history of mobile phones are:
-motorola (yes, moto have been reinventing themselves in the last 2 years. but throughout the history of the mobile phone, there are few that can touch motorola in terms of innovation and their pervasive influence throughout the mobile phone world, even today)
-siemens (a forgotten brand, but responsible for much of the features that are considered standard in phones today)
-ericsson
the above 3 brands make up about 90% of all innovations in the world of mobile phone. sony ericsson, in contrast, has contributed nothing. zilch. nadir. i
in 2009, we can all see the following trends running throughout sony ericsson:
-backwards technology(they have been well and truly overtaken by the top 4 brands in all aspects)
-overly expensive for what they offer. they are offering relatively low quality phones with relatively few features at overly high prices.
-consistently and recurringly glitchy software and relatively poorly constructed hardware
-boring copy&paste designs lacking in innovation, imagination, and aesthetic appeal.
-falling sales and profits
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-30 01:37 ]
I joined Esato when I first using my T39... the phone failed only 2yrs ago when the plastic degraded at the antenna
it lasted for almost 6yrs.
6 years? Thats it? Thats a big deal for you? I still have a 3310 from nokia, and i bought that phone right when it was released.
Coming to the topic, SE doesnt stand a chance if they only concentrate on Java phones. They really need a good smartphone that does NOT run on UIQ.
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Posted: 2009-01-30 10:15:07
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On 2009-01-30 10:15:07, QVGA wrote:
Coming to the topic, SE doesnt stand a chance if they only concentrate on Java phones. They really need a good smartphone that does NOT run on UIQ.
I already touched on this subject and no-one picked up on it:
On 2009-01-23 11:52:17, carkitter wrote:
...Let's face it, Apple changed everything and the future is smartphones but not the oddball smartphones of the past. I'm looking forward to the smartphones SE is planning for 2010 release, that's when we should really see some serious upward movement in SE sales.
But when someone mentions the hoary old chestnut of SE innovation, it starts a roaring discussion. You guys really are pathetic and childlike.
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Posted: 2009-01-30 12:43:25
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My sentiments exactly.
First of all, you can't measure innovation.
Unless we have access to all that happens in the R & D facilities and access to all of the hundreds of patents that are filed then we will will never know exactly how 'innovative' a company is, but rest assured, those hundreds of millions spent on R & D do come up with innovative solutions, no matter how large or small.
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Posted: 2009-01-30 13:37:30
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On 2009-01-30 13:37:30, goldenface wrote:
First of all, you can't measure innovation.
what makes you think that? you can measure innovation by how many devices have that feature first developed by brand X, or how many brands have adopted that feature in their own phones.
and the answer is still the same - SE have contributed nothing. nadir. zilch.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-30 16:41 ]
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Posted: 2009-01-30 17:41:12
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^^and neither are you in this forum. You are nothing but a sore apple who damages the rest.
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Posted: 2009-01-31 02:54:08
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May aswell cahange the title to "Nokia fanboys, flame se here!"
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Posted: 2009-01-31 03:08:02
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On 2009-01-31 02:54:08, se_dude wrote:
^^and neither are you in this forum. You are nothing but a sore apple who damages the rest.
only because i don't mindlessly and fantically praise a company that is all too well known for it's unreliable hardware and software, boring copy and paste designs, complete lack of innovation, and who's sales and profits now obey the law of gravity.
perhaps you should wake up and smell reality.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-31 12:46 ]
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Posted: 2009-01-31 13:44:59
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On 2009-01-31 13:44:59, Brightspark wrote:
On 2009-01-31 02:54:08, se_dude wrote:
^^and neither are you in this forum. You are nothing but a sore apple who damages the rest.
only because i don't mindlessly and fantically praise a company that is all too well known for it's unreliable hardware and software, boring copy and paste designs, complete lack of innovation, and who's sales and profits now obey the law of gravity.
perhaps you should wake up and smell reality.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-01-31 12:46 ]
So, what are you doing here then?
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Posted: 2009-01-31 13:56:19
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