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And again, I don't think it's Apple laying the bait! Ryan's right, this is a pointless thread which needs closing.
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Posted: 2009-02-04 17:00:57
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Yeah, locked or thrown in the garbage section and the subject changed to 'Let off some steam in this thread'

BTW it's carkitter not catkitter
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Posted: 2009-02-04 17:12:42
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Or even Catkiller
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Posted: 2009-02-04 17:59:55
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lol, that'd be a slightly controversial username!!
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Posted: 2009-02-04 18:04:21
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I actually left mobile phone forums after the Iphone was released and so many people were brainwashed by its marketting tactics.

Britney Spears sells millions of records, but I dont think that many people will agree that she is in anyway revolutionary, she is just hyped by the media enough to get people to buy her records. Similary, just because lots of people have bought any product due to an excessive marketting campaign - Iphone included - doesnt automatically make it revolutionary, they are brainwashed by apple's PR and marketing scheme into believing this. Oh wow, touch screen phone and I Pod, oooh wow, REVOLUTIONARY!!!!!

Now the Iphone 3G would actually be a good buy - If it had a better camera, was available on more networks, had a removable battery, had MMS (If I ever go anywhere in Europe, I get free MMS use out of my Flext allowance).

I find the Samsung Omnia to be a far better device, but as much as I would like to have one, I still wont buy it because I need good camera features on my Phone as I use my phone for both camera and video recorder. Just having 15 FPS at VGA video recording resolution has completely put me off buying the handset, so what chance do you think there is to convince me that the Iphone is actually a good phone? Very little I think.

The Iphone in the mobile phone industry is the same thing as Britney Spears in the music industry to me. The fans adore both of them, without caring about or being bothered by their shortcomings, in other words they adapt their needs around the product. The more critical fans of mobile phones and music however that arent so guillable and easilly persuaded by marketting place their needs before their purchase. My needs right now are 7.2 Mbps HSDPA and a minimum of 5 Mp and 30 FPS VGA recording on the camera, and I am basing my phone choice around these features. I really really want an Omnia. Just as much as apple fans really really want an Iphone. But it doesnt meet my needs and if I did buy the Omnia, then very soon I would be needing to buy a seperate camera, which is a bad choice if I can get a device which has the best of phone, camera and internet features.

But lets be trully honest. Out of the millions of people buying an Iphone, how many of them have actually owned a smartphone, a cameraphone, or a phone with HSDPA and decent internet before? I would at a guess say less then 25% of them, mostly the mobile phone fanatics who are rich enough to buy just about every device on the market will have had a similar phone before the Iphone. However, the majority of Iphone users, prior to owning an Iphone had a rubbish device, for exampe I have come across several Americans on various forums that have gone from using a Motorolla Razr to the Iphone, and there are many more that switched from other low end devices to the Iphone. Of course when making such an upgrade, all of a sudden the Iphone is going to seem like the best, and most revolutionary phone ever made due to how much better it was then your last model, but for the people who actually know a thing or two about mobile phone specifications and features, aside from the screen and UI, there is nothing feature wise that puts the Iphones above any of their competitors to make them revolutionary in any kind of way.



Now this is just a misconception. The majority of Iphone users simply have no, or little idea of what else is out there. You have already compared it to the Nokia 5800, but are you, or the majority of Iphone users aware of other similar handsets? How about the X1 Xperia? Many of the HTC phones? The Samsung Omnia? There are probably even others that I am not aware of, but these phones are all missing something crucial that the Iphone had. Hype and marketting, simply put, not many people of the general public that own an Iphone are aware of these other models, they have only heard of the Iphone and immediately think it is the best and most revolutionary phone ever because the advert they read says so, and they then go and buy one.

Also, the phones that I mentioned have been in the past very difficult to find on contract - most people that buy one get them Sim Free. They did not enjoy the aditional PR and Advertising that the carriers of the Iphone (who were paid by Apple to do so) gave to this phone.

I mean, I actually heard from O2 employees that would tell their customers 'The Iphone is the most revolutionary phone', that O2 staff were told by Apple to say these things to their customers. The Iphone is not revolutionary because of its features or as a product, it is only revolutionary because Apple did such a good job of spreading this nonsence by advertisment and word of mouth from their carriers employees who were told specifically what to say about the phone in order to sell it.



So going back to my earlier comparison, the sheer amount of attention and record sales that Britney Spears recieves is indicitive of just how good a singer she is and just how envious others are of her talent.

The same can perhaps also be said about World of Warcraft then:

the sheer amount of attention that World of Warcraft recieves is indicitive of just how outstanding the graphics of the game are, and just how envious others are of this amazing and most revolutionary game ever made.

I think not.



[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-02-04 19:04 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-04 19:40:14
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You left? Can't you go back from whence you came???

I really couldn't be arsed to read your essay, but whilst scanning (read: trawling) down to hit reply, i notice you are comparing Britney Spears to a phone. Oh dear is all i have to say - oh dear.
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Posted: 2009-02-04 20:06:54
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Seriously, someone call this thread a cab before we all die of extreme patronage. Or boredom.

Bhavv, all I can say is you're making the right choice in rejecting the Omnia. It's not very good, but that's nothing to do with the camera.
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Posted: 2009-02-04 20:11:30
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The iPhone is a great phone, the implementation of a web browser, email especially ms exchange and HTML emails, calender and keyboard does it for me. The wifi is excellent! That's something you won't discover until you own one for a little while and there's many more of those. Couldn't care less about mms (rather use email) and camera is below average for quick snaps but there aren't many phones worth taking proper pics with. The iPhone could do with official copy/paste, homescreen and YouTube ordered by date added.

It's all about what's important to you.
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Posted: 2009-02-04 23:37:05
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this paragraph has to be the most retarded comment i have ever read on this forum, and even in this thread full of ignorant comments, even sillier than the deluded funny guy who thinks the nokia 5800 is the greatest phone on earth, and the hitler comparisons, and the other moronic titbits it still stands out in class of its own.
So iphone users love it becuase over 75% of them are used to rubbish phones? obviously these stats are based on a survey you did yourself?
i cant even be bothered to argue about this
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Posted: 2009-02-05 00:47:49
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actually, he has a good point. a great many are used to crap phones. considering that america is the main selling ground for the iphone and america is a 3rd world country regarding phones, the i think you'll find that a large proportion of iphone users are used to crap phones...whether they come from the US or not.
his post is more practical and realistic than yours

[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2009-02-04 23:59 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-05 00:58:41
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