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On 2009-04-01 12:05:06, SloopJohnB wrote:
What you are not seeing is that the software updates not only bring expected functions or basic ones but they also add completely new features like: app store, exchange support, very rich bluetooth capabilities between iPhones and accessories and etc. These aren't things that were missing, they are new things, added for free. This is a much better solution than having a limited OS that gets old with time.
I obviously cannot see the point of these updates because my bluetooth already works (Im easilly transferring data between 3 different branded devices - my T700, LG Arena and PC, go go already fully functional bluetooth right out of the box).
I cannot see the benefits of an app store because I dont need apps to repeat myself yet again - my phone works, doesnt need anything adding to it, with the exception of a better browser, and I have no need to ever spend money on games and application for my phone.
Software updates and apps are only beneficial on the I Phone because the phone is so deficient, lacking in features, and doesnt do what it should out of the box.
I cannot ever see the benefit of downgrading my phone to an I Phone, and relying on an update which has taken over 12 months since the I Phones release, and using apps to cover up my phones weaknesses. I have a phone, I have a camera, it calls, sends texts, and has the internet. My wait for a good touch screen browser will be a lot shorter then your wait for OS3, I really dont mind using Opera Mini untill then.
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Posted: 2009-04-01 12:18:51
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On 2009-04-01 11:45:38, Bhavv wrote:
With the dolby features I am pretty certain that they obviously require a chip to process the audio. A conventional processor without the dolby hardware could not output the same audio, if it could then just why arent other manufacturers adding support for it?
Because it costs money to license the "technology" from Dolby, obviously. Dolby are a big name, they used to make all their money from plastering their logo onto tape decks and muffling the treble to reduce tape hiss, these days they're trying to sell their brand to mobile companies who are quite capable of programming their own DSPs, it's all about selling that little Double-D on the box.
I cant extend the features of my phone because the features are are already perfect and working as they should be out of the box.
Which almost makes sense until you say...
The browser may not be perfect,
Oh dear. And how long have you had the phone before noticing this niggle? A day?
On day 2 of ownership you realise you need an essential new app. Doesn't bode well, does it?
but do yourself a favor and google for Mozilla Fennex. Once it gets released I really couldnt care less about the inbuilt browser, at least the hardware that I paid for does exactly what it shoulde out of the box, rather then having to wait over a year for an OS update to make it work.
So let's just get this right - the Arena is perfect and doesn't need any extra apps or updates, except for Mozilla Fennec which you're waiting for. Only it isn't out yet. And you don't know when it will be out. And actually, as far as I can see (do please correct me if I'm wrong) there's no certainty that it will be available for the Arena at all, is there?
Is there going to be a Java version of Fennec? I can't find any suggestion of that. Windows Mobile, Symbian, other smartphone platforms, but Java? Perhaps you can point me to the article on that. But hell, it doesn't matter anyway, because you don't download apps anyway, do you? You've been very clear on that...
I dont understand why I Phone users are so proud about a software update that will bring basic functions like MMS and Bluetooth to your handset, I firmly believe this crap to be much more major marketing bull s... then a phone which support dolby mobile.
A feature is a feature is a feature, I bought the iPhone based on the clear knowledge and understanding that it didn't have copy and paste or MMS, and now it's going to get those things (and much more) in just a couple of months. Where's the marketing involved?
The LG Arena is marketed as a multimedia device for music and movie playback, dolby mobile greatly improves both these areas - if it sounds vastly better then any SE Walkman handset does, then I strongly doubt that this is just a software change, my ears are definately telling me that my phone has superior audio processing and better speakers then any other phone I have ever used.
I'm sure it's just fine, and it's certainly no surprise that it sounds better than a Walkman handset, but I've absolutely no problem with the audio processing in my iPhone, unsurprisingly. Apple do have a bit of experience in that area too.
Phones only need software updates if there is something wrong with them and if they arent working right,
Like your Arena?
theres a big hint as to why your rubbish I Phone is in need of its OS update something like a year after its initial release just to add MMS, blue tooth and copy paste. Wow, your so happy about updating your I Phone to work a little bit more like any normal phone does out of box, I kind of feel sorry for you.
Sorry for me? Hmm. I already have all the features and functionality that I expected from the phone when I bought it (all of which worked perfectly), I've been able to extend those features and functions with any number of useful apps to perfectly match my needs, and now I'm going to get a whole load of additional functionality and improvements for free. Yep, it's a sad case.
You are obviously having to overcompensate and rely on software upgrades and apps because your phone has so many problems with its functions.
Problems. Hmm. I'm guessing you're referring to bugs, but the thing is, there haven't really been any of those since the 2.1 update months ago. Everything just works really well. Know what I mean?
Even funnier that you critisize my phones for having to use opera mini for 18 months, but wait, the I Phone couldnt even copy paste or transfer data to and from a PC over bluetooth for just as long.
But yet it had all the functions it claimed to have when I bought it, they all worked really well, and they've all been improved and added to since I bought the phone.
How's that browser on your Arena again?
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-04-01 11:33 ]
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Posted: 2009-04-01 12:31:47
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On 2009-04-01 12:08:18, NoKia wrote:
On 2009-04-01 12:00:34, Bhavv wrote:
On 2009-04-01 11:56:55, NoKia wrote:
the Iphone must be doing something right if ppl that dont even own one get soo emotional and start to drop personal insults into their posts about why they dont like it
no other phone has ever attracted such amount of hatred from ppl who have never even owned one and such love from its users, that in itself is proof of how relevant it is
Its called marketting.
'Revolutionary device, Phone, Ipod, and Mobile Internet Device'
I.E, it makes calls, plays MP3s, and has a browser.
No other phone has ever been as overpriced, under specified, nor locked to only one network with a voided warranty if you unlock it. These are the reasons why people hate the I Phone.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-04-01 11:03 ]
still not enough to cause me to go ranting and raving about it and insulting people
Oh, but plenty of people do just that, in fact, the opposite way around - I Phone fans praise and claim their device to be the best thing since sliced bread, attack other handsets and people who disagree with their opinion, and find every lame excuse to defend their precious I Phone as though they are married to it.
See the number of complaints about the LG Arena coming from I Phone fans about it being a copy. I really couldnt care if it is a copy, they did something that apple couldnt and actually made it a high quality camera and multimedia phone.
There is nothing relevant about the I Phone, nor is there any need for fans to make I Phone praising threads like these.
You like your apps, ok we get that. You like waiting for an update which is taking 12 months to add full bluetooth and copy paste to your phone, good for you.
Now stop worshipping your phone and apple, and live with the fact that you have fallen for every bit of marketting thrown at you for being able to defend a poorly specified product with words which apple have continuously advertised to you (Revolutionary phone = best thing ever, app store = omg wonderful, same phone, new software = wow! Im upgrading my phone to have bluetooth, mms and copy paste!).
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Posted: 2009-04-01 12:37:11
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Couldnt really care less about the browser on my Arena, I can at least plug it into my PC and connect to internet, and use VOIP, which by the way, your phone may support, but your operator doesnt.
I also have a prepaid 3 sim card on order to add 6 months of internet use to my T700 to use in the meantime, Opera Mini is actually very decent.
I see no reason why Mozilla Fennex wouldnt be given support for non WM or Symbian handsets, even if it isnt I can just sell my Arena on Ebay and upgrade to something else Sim Free, I have no problem with doing that.
At least I dont need to pay to own a seperate camera.
And you are still jumping to the conclusion that a brand new handset wont recieve any support for 18 months. The LG Arena has recieved well over 1 million pre orders, I doubt that Mozilla or Opera are going to be placing it on their ignore list.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-04-01 11:50 ]
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Posted: 2009-04-01 12:45:53
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On 2009-04-01 12:37:11, Bhavv wrote:
On 2009-04-01 12:08:18, NoKia wrote:
On 2009-04-01 12:00:34, Bhavv wrote:
On 2009-04-01 11:56:55, NoKia wrote:
the Iphone must be doing something right if ppl that dont even own one get soo emotional and start to drop personal insults into their posts about why they dont like it
no other phone has ever attracted such amount of hatred from ppl who have never even owned one and such love from its users, that in itself is proof of how relevant it is
Its called marketting.
'Revolutionary device, Phone, Ipod, and Mobile Internet Device'
I.E, it makes calls, plays MP3s, and has a browser.
No other phone has ever been as overpriced, under specified, nor locked to only one network with a voided warranty if you unlock it. These are the reasons why people hate the I Phone.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-04-01 11:03 ]
still not enough to cause me to go ranting and raving about it and insulting people
Oh, but plenty of people do just that, in fact, the opposite way around - I Phone fans praise and claim their device to be the best thing since sliced bread, attack other handsets and people who disagree with their opinion, and find every lame excuse to defend their precious I Phone as though they are married to it.
See the number of complaints about the LG Arena coming from I Phone fans about it being a copy. I really couldnt care if it is a copy, they did something that apple couldnt and actually made it a high quality camera and multimedia phone.
There is nothing relevant about the I Phone, nor is there any need for fans to make I Phone praising threads like these.
You like your apps, ok we get that. You like waiting for an update which is taking 12 months to add full bluetooth and copy paste to your phone, good for you.
Now stop worshipping your phone and apple, and live with the fact that you have fallen for every bit of marketting thrown at you for being able to defend a poorly specified product with words which apple have continuously advertised to you (Revolutionary phone = best thing ever, app store = omg wonderful, same phone, new software = wow! Im upgrading my phone to have bluetooth, mms and copy paste!).
dont you think that maybe, just maybe the iphone is just as good as the user claim it is? if they(the users) say it is great, and you (who doesnt even have one) say it is crap, who has the most informed opinion?
btw, MMS, copy and paste has always been available to jailbreakers, bluetooth file transfer is also available to them
i had an LG Viewty for over a year, so i know how good these supposed 5MP cameras are, so the 2mp might be crap, but the 5mp LG isnt really that great a leap in performance, i would rather carry a camera than rely on either for any serious picture
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Posted: 2009-04-01 12:48:56
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I have personally heard several I phone users who have said that the device is crap and that they didnt like it, and yes, I do agree with them.
Anyway, I'll enjoy playing with my LG for another 6 months, after which if there is no progress towards a better browser, I will sell it and grab something like a nice 5 MP google phone, or even just the Samsung Omnia HD.
Unlike you like to believe, I am not tied down to my phones for 18 months like I Phone users are, because I can easilly buy a nice new sim Free phone. Yea you can do that with your I Phone, but good luck with your expensive I Phone exclusive tariffs.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-04-01 11:57 ]
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Posted: 2009-04-01 12:53:02
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Bhavv,
You must be a teenager but that's not an excuse for being immature. You can't say a phone is better then other just cos it suits your needs. LG arena may suit yours but it is a LESS capable device than the iPhone simply because is feature phone and not a smartphone. Perhaps you don't need or have never used a smartphone but that doesn't make lg arena any better. You can say the iPhone lacked basic functions but pretty much all of them I already use on 2.0 iPhone with jailbreak. The OS 3 will just make them even more powerful, more than my current 2.0 or your lg arena.
That is without considering the implementatin of features which are clearly superior in the iPhone and hving a feature poorly implemented is almost like having no function at all.
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Posted: 2009-04-01 13:01:24
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On 2009-04-01 12:45:53, Bhavv wrote:
Couldnt really care less about the browser on my Arena, I can at least plug it into my PC and connect to internet, and use VOIP, which by the way, your phone may support, but your operator doesnt.
So a shoddy browser is okay because you can VOIP? Use logic much? Sorry, but you're just reaching now. In another thread you described the Arena's browser as a "major problem". Earlier in this thread you claimed that various iPhone apps were redundant because you had such a great browser on your Arena, but now we're back to using Opera Mini on your T700, or carrying a laptop around with you whenever you want to browse on the go... doesn't really play so well, does it?
I also have a prepaid 3 sim card on order to add 6 months of internet use to my T700 to use in the meantime, Opera Mini is actually very decent.
So you're now maintaining another phone and service in addition to your Arena, in order to get the kind of small-screen mobile internet experience from 2005 that Safari on the iPhone knocks seven shades of Arena out of.
Yep, Apple sure have suckered me in with this here iPhone.
I see no reason why Mozilla Fennex wouldnt be given support for non WM or Symbian handsets, even if it isnt I can just sell my Arena on Ebay and upgrade to something else Sim Free, I have no problem with doing that.
Erm - you know that it's possible to sell an iPhone on Ebay too, right? That's a bit like saying your Nissan Micra is better than my Ferrari because you can always sell it and buy a Porsche.
You know why Mozilla Fennec (and it's Fennec BTW, not "Fennex") might not be given support for non-smartphone handsets like your Arena? Because they're not powerful enough, and they're not based on open platforms, that's why. Welcome to reality.
And you are still jumping to the conclusion that a brand new handset wont recieve any support for 18 months. The LG Arena has recieved well over 1 million pre orders, I doubt that Mozilla or Opera are going to be placing it on their ignore list.
That would be 1 million worldwide, right? Big deal! Mozilla (like most developers) writes code that can be used on many devices, not just one. It's possible that they might do a Java version, but don't expect it to be as powerful as the smartphone version they're writing for WM and Symbian, because that's just not possible - at best it will give Opera Mini a little competition, that's all. As for an Arena version - that's not possible unless LG provide the tools and marketplace to make it happen, and not economically viable for Mozilla either.
The only "support" you'll receive will be from LG. Will you get bugfixes? Maybe, maybe not. Will you get new features or improved performance from the browser etc..? Don't count on it. Unlike Apple, who are maintaining a profitable global eco-system, it's simply not in LG's business interests.
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Posted: 2009-04-01 13:09:07
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I'll take a shoddy browser anyday over a shoddy camera
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Believe me, this phone is plenty powerful to support the same programs that a WM or S60 device can. I am willing to give it time to see if a better browser is released, as for the sim card with £30 credit which can be used on 6 months of internet, that was already on order before I even recieved my LG because I like to use my T700 still.
The internet browser does at least work. As for the selling on Ebay part, your the joker that thinks that being on contract means you get stuck with one phone for 18 months, not me.
My shoddy browser is ok because I can plug it into any computer and use Opera or Firefox. The last I checked, your exclusive I Phone only tariff doesnt buy you any modem use. Sorry, but I couldnt make do without my phone as a modem.
Using O2 for data is far worse then having an Arena on T Mobile.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-04-01 12:47 ]
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Posted: 2009-04-01 13:34:42
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On 2009-04-01 13:34:42, Bhavv wrote:
I'll take a shoddy browser anyday over a shoddy camera
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Sounding weak now, isn't it.
The thing is, there's nothing wrong with you putting the camera first, and there's nothing wrong with you having no interest in mobile internet, or Exchange support, or any of the vast array of advanced functionality available for a smart, open platform like the iPhone.
Take the Arena, or whatever shiny toy catches your eye next time. Save your money.
But try - just try - to understand that out here in the big wide grown-up world, there is a big and serious market for a device like the iPhone that actually delivers on all its promises, and is open to so much more on top, now and in the future. And it's here whether you like it or not
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Posted: 2009-04-01 13:52:35
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