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its bin here on the news a few days in belgium. There will maybe come a complaint against NOkia in Belgium.
Nokia says it is only a problem with 'fake' nokia bats. But the test showed that a lot of new models right from the shop have the same problem. It is unable to see a difference between the 'real' and 'fake' battery. And they sell them in normal mobile shops.
In belgium there are allready 15 exploded nokia bats this year.
It could be Nokia will be banned from the shops here untill the problem is solved. I dont think it will get that far. But it could be. 2 summers ago a belgian judge let remove all Coca-Cola drinks from the shelves. There was something wrong with it.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 20:37:04
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You're from belgium, huh? Then could you please translate relevant info from
the testers site, please.
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Posted: 2003-11-18 20:48:37
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Hahahahahahhaha, they where nice paid by Nokia to keep it quiet (Test Aankoop/Test Achat) again ..... Allways the same with them, they test something have some critics and after the concerned company have a little talk with them ... oh well we did a mistake, everything is fine ....
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Posted: 2003-11-18 21:09:20
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Regardless if the exploding batteries are original Nokia or not, the fact is that Nokia phones are not safe while other manufacturers phones are safe
until the opposite is proven.
Nokia claims this is more evident with Nokia phones since they have so big market share, but on the other hand at least 60% of sold phones are not Nokia and
with Nokias calculus it means that by now we should
have heard about at least one or two exploding non Nokia phones, but that has not happend.
As a consumer your should not need any engineering skills to avoid killing your self with a phone. You ask for a Nokia phone or battery and the store gives you one. That's it. You should not need to worry about
anything else.
The conclution is simple. Nokia phones are more dangerous than other phones, period.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2003-11-19 01:58 ]
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Posted: 2003-11-19 02:51:56
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On 2003-11-19 02:51:56, Arne Anka wrote:
Nokia claims this is more evident with Nokia phones since they have so big market share, but on the other hand at least 60% of sold phones are not Nokia and
with Nokias calculus it means that by now we should
have heard about at least one or two exploding non Nokia phones, but that has not happend.
Where's your common sense!? Those remaining 60% are not compatible with each other, since it includes tens of different vendors. You don't have to be business genius to decide whether you make pirate batteries for vendor who have about 40% marketshare or for the vendor who have 5% marketshare. It's the volume that counts. And I'm pretty sure that there's similar accidents happened with other vendors also, but nobody really cares, if it happens to some vendor with minimal marketshare.
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On 2003-11-19 02:51:56, Arne Anka wrote:
As a consumer your should not need any engineering skills to avoid killing your self with a phone. You ask for a Nokia phone or battery and the store gives you one. That's it. You should not need to worry about
anything else.
If you buy a Nokia phone, it will always come with safe original Nokia battery. Some vendors have problems even with their original products in the sales pack, e.g. chargers...
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On 2003-11-19 02:51:56, Arne Anka wrote:
The conclution is simple. Nokia phones are more dangerous than other phones, period.
You still didn't get this?!?! This issue was not about phones, but batteries. And more specificly pirate batteries, which Nokia has nothing to do with.
I hope this helped you to understand this issue. If not, please do not hesitate to ask further information.
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Posted: 2003-11-19 10:51:34
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"do not hesitate"
lol
anyway.. Arne Anka's nick would indicate he's from Sweden.
I think it's the Swedish built-in problem with Nokia we have in question here
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Posted: 2003-11-19 11:02:41
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
You don't have to be business genius to decide whether you make pirate batteries for vendor who have about 40% marketshare or for the vendor who have 5% marketshare. It's the volume that counts.
No and you don't have to be business genius to figure out that the market share on the mobile market does not necessary reflect the market share on the pirate battery market. The exchange rate may be higher for other brands than for Nokia. You don't know that.
However, there are enough non Nokia pirate batteries out there and if you view at the non Nokia batteries as a group it should clearly be visible in the statistics whether they explode or not.
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
And I'm pretty sure that there's similar accidents happened with other vendors also,
It may be true, but until proven Nokia is still more dangerous than other brands.
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
but nobody really cares, if it happens to some vendor with minimal marketshare.
Realy. I would say > 60% of mobile users would care.
To quote your own words, it's the volume that counts.
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
If you buy a Nokia phone, it will always come with safe original Nokia battery.
Yes it will, but they also explode. A lady in Norway had a 3 month old Nokia 3510i wihich also exploded (well, melted down to be more correct) and the battery used was the one included in the package from Nokia.
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On 2003-11-19 10:51:34, orange wrote:
Some vendors have problems even with their original products in the sales pack, e.g. chargers...
But they don't explode, do they ?
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On 2003-11-19 11:02:41, Flying Finn wrote:
"do not hesitate"
lol
anyway.. Arne Anka's nick would indicate he's from Sweden.
I think it's the Swedish built-in problem with Nokia we have in question here
Not more than we have a Finnish built-in problem with SE. But strange enough I actually have a Nokia as my current phone and I intend to keep it until it falls apart (it is not far from that by the way). 3 year ago when I bought my Nokia 8850 there were no good Ericsson phones out there. Now it is a different storry.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2003-11-19 12:06 ]
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Posted: 2003-11-19 13:01:06
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Yes and SE handled the faulty chargers in a much more sensible way. They recalled the faulty chargers and admitted there was a fault. Nokia just denies everything. Just like they did for over 1 year with the faulty screens and then suddenly they admitted the problems.
And yes the Norway incident was a 3 month old Nokia which used an original battery included with the phone when bought. Don't say that it only happens to pirate batteries because that simple isn't true.
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Posted: 2003-11-19 13:31:03
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Look at my signature. I'm thinking of getting a T610 if I face problems with my N-Gage (although a certain thread put me off a bit).
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Posted: 2003-11-19 14:19:00
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there is no sig in your post tho...
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Posted: 2003-11-19 14:31:41
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