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@ Neekos, you need to work on those sermons mate, there way too short. you can get some good tips from Benny Hinn on the God channel tonight. :)
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Posted: 2004-11-16 17:54:24
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Some interesting and thought provoking points here!
I suppose if you take a lot of what's in the bible, it's an excellent template for a way to live, a lot of common sense tips for living. For example, sleeping about with other people too much. It's a personal choice imo if you want to do that, I don't think some supreme being is going to come and throw lightening bolts at you, but if you do you'll probably end up with a rather nasty disease and a reputation you don't really want. Cause and effect - but I'm going off topic here!
I guess I see the book as an anology of the human spirit in a way - with 'God' and 'Jesus' being yourself - and the Bible is basically telling you to be honest to yourself - worshipping 'false idols' like materialism and greed ultimately leads to you being unhappy in some way - even if you deny it to everyone else. i.e. you're not being honest with 'God' - yourself! I hope you get my meaning!
One last question/point - is it possible for a person who isn't 'religious' to live a good life? I try to live honestly and in a good way but don't believe in God. So if I live a good, honest life, do I still not go to Heaven as I'm a non-believer? Or is 'Heaven' an analogy of personal happiness, with 'Hell' being a state of personal sadness?
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Posted: 2004-11-16 17:57:52
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Quote:So if I live a good, honest life, do I still not go to Heaven as I'm a non-believer? Or is 'Heaven' an analogy of personal happiness, with 'Hell' being a state of personal sadness?
Wonder if anybody REALLY knows this here or elsewhere.. I think I would bend my knee and call him/her/it god..
from the christian point, you should at least once believe in god; on the other hand thereīs the saying 'heaven on earth' which is supposed to be for good reason.
I do not know the answer - thatīs the point where belief begins..
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Posted: 2004-11-16 18:09:45
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@Sammy_boy
Yes you can live a good life, being a nice person, but isn't enough. Ignoring the existence of God is a sin, as Bible says. Also it says that "all people had sinned, being devoid of the God's eclat." In other words, human beings inherited the original sin, (Adam & Eve) so they (we) are sinner by default. Our good way of living our lifes becomes useless.
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Posted: 2004-11-16 19:27:27
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BUSH IS NOT A CHRISTIAN
he has signed the most death warrants than any other person in the united states - how can you call that christian?
he is a maniac. if he pissed off, no more wars and terrorists - they all hate him. a fresh start!
i am sorry to sound so demanding, but it is what i strongly feel. praying does not make you a christian, its putting your faith in god and trusting in him and believing that jesus died, and then living your life with gods grace and power according to his will, but if you mess up, its about forgiveness.
i see this nowhere in mr bush's politics!
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Posted: 2004-11-16 19:59:28
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On 2004-11-16 19:27:27, PIANOSSO wrote:
@Sammy_boy
Yes you can live a good life, being a nice person, but isn't enough. Ignoring the existence of God is a sin, as Bible says. Also it says that "all people had sinned, being devoid of the God's eclat." In other words, human beings inherited the original sin, (Adam & Eve) so they (we) are sinner by default. Our good way of living our lifes becomes useless.
I'm afraid I don't agree there! Why aren't humans capable of living good, honest lives without needing some 'mythical' being (possibly a more technically advanced alien/time traveller - someone living 2,000 years ago might think you a god if you showed them a TV, car, or a P900!
) telling them what to do.
I believe that heaven and hell is in our own hands. Rather than sitting on our behinds waiting for this 'all powerful' being to come and sort out all the messes we've gotten ourselves into, we need to do something ourselves as a species. The next step humanity can make is take control of our own destinies, think more as a group (or I daresay 'team'!) and not individualistically. It is only US, HUMAN BEINGS, that can make heaven become a reality. Sadly, many have become sidetracked and seduced by 'satanic' emotions like greed, materialism, selfishness, and religious fundamentalism. At the moment, we seem to be creating our own pretty realistic hell.
EDIT: @Blackbauer, my apolgies if I'm threadjacking or taking this thread away from your original aims, let me know if you want me to stop posting here!
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Posted: 2004-11-16 20:37:04
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@Sammy_boy,
I hear what you are saying and even though it's not what I think, you are more than entitled to hold it. I suppose @Pianosso is speaking from a Christian and Biblical point of view which I agree with from a Christian perspective. How you see the Bible (in terms of how literal, symbolic, mixture of both etc) will determine your view of what it means. Without wishing to go into a long discussion of the Bible, we have to be aware of the different types of literature in the Bible (e.g. poetry, prose, apocalytpic, historical, epistle (letter), narrative, wisdom etc) to be able to get a better and clearer understanding of it (not that I'm saying that I understand everything!!!). It's not as alien or irrelevant as some people think (I'm not saying you were implying that @Sammy_boy)
Blessings,
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Posted: 2004-11-16 23:13:21
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Guys and gals,
Does your faith determine what kind of films at the cinema you watch? Do you think it's wrong as a Christian to watch "Bad Boy 2" or "Man on Fire" for example, or should we only watch films like "Toy Story" or "Lord of the Rings"? What do you think? (especially you BB24!)
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Posted: 2004-11-16 23:19:51
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On 2004-11-16 17:54:24, BlackBauer24 wrote:
@ Neekos, you need to work on those sermons mate, there way too short. you can get some good tips from Benny Hinn on the God channel tonight.
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I'm sorry, but Benny Hinn is one of the biggest hypocrites out there.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h01.html
I'm not saying that hes representative of Christianity as a whole, but hes definitely not a representative of what Christianity is supposed to stand for.
Unless theres a joke i missed...
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Posted: 2004-11-16 23:43:02
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BlackBauer24 Posts: > 500
@ kimcheeboi your right, it was supposed to be a joke just not very good one :) @ Neekos, you know i'm only teasing i eagerly await your response.
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Posted: 2004-11-17 00:51:11
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