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Maybe a long time ago but they still are responsible for millions of innocent people's deaths.
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Posted: 2005-07-09 19:55:18
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@whizkidd if we are talking about what they are doing ..... They are just stealing whatever the resources they have and if someone tries to oppose them then they kill them and say that they are terrorists ........
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Posted: 2005-07-09 20:01:39
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On 2005-07-08 19:30:33, cycne wrote:
@carkitter Dude who will answer for the thousands of innocents who have been killed by americans . And on what issues do you say that iraq is a nation full of terrorists?
I did not say that Iraq is a nation of terrorists.
Iraq is not a nation of terrorists. No country is a nation of terrorists, be they an Arab nation or a Western nation.
Some nations have terrorists living in them. Some Governments support terrorism - Afghanistan's Teleban for instance.
American Soldiers do not intentionally kill innocents. Terrorists do.
Sometimes innocents are caught up in the fighting. This happens because the terrorists hide out in schools and hospitals and hold meetings in rooms full of children so that any military action affects these innocents too. Would you put your loved ones in harms way?
These people have no consciences and that makes them very dangerous.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 14:45:11
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On 2005-07-09 19:33:36, cycne wrote:
How can america talk of WMD's when they are the first and the only nation who have used a nuclear bomb and the first nation to use a biological weapon ...
America did not want to enter WW2, they were brought into it by Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour. I don't like what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki either, in fact it makes me sick to my stomach; but it did end the war in the pacific and prevented more lives being lost.
Remember, Japan invented the modern concept of Suicide Bombers with the Kamikaze pilots and the US had to do something fast...
The biological weapon you refer to is Agent Orange? I believe this was a De-foliant chemical not a poisonious gas. It was later found to be poisonous; if that was known at the time the US would not have sprayed it's OWN troops with it.
Speaking of poisonous gas, would the gas used by Hitler's concentration camps count? It pre-dates Agent Orange by about 25 years.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 16:11:16
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Some nice inputs carkitter
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Posted: 2005-07-10 16:15:40
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On 2005-07-09 20:01:39, cycne wrote:
@whizkidd if we are talking about what they are doing ..... They are just stealing whatever the resources they have and if someone tries to oppose them then they kill them and say that they are terrorists ........
I am not an expert on these conspiracy theories, I don't pay much attention to them actually but I understand that part of rebuilding a country like Iraq involves helping it's citizens to sell it's oil on the open market. A pipeline would be crucial to this, wouldn't you think?
Previously all oil earnings went to Saddam. How do you think he built so many palaces? The oil earnings should now be going to the new Iraqi Government. This is not the same thing as Bush stealing oil. Bush does not own/run the Iraqi Government.
John Kerry, Michael Moore, the French and German Leaders, even Saddam Hussain opposed Bush. All of these people are still alive.
Prehaps you were confused with Robert Mugabi, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Fidel Castro and South Africa's Aparthied Regime. They all kill thier opponents.
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http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=93881[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2005-07-11 10:20 ]
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Posted: 2005-07-10 16:30:09
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@Jim
Thanks, I am interested in genuine debate on these issues, not slogans and conspiracy theories. I am open to correction on any point; I don't know everything... but I try to.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 16:36:05
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@carkitter: it's nice to see some moderate, reasoned debate for a change
@all: since this thread essentially treads
a lot of old ground i thought i'd link to one of the original topic about this issue:
The Gulf War 2 Thread - Stick to the topic this time
i suggest everyone reads this topic and the earlier threads linked within because they do address a large number of the myths and half-truths (on both sides) which seem to prevail in these sorts of threads.
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Posted: 2005-07-12 07:14:50
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