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Sniff Sniff.....i see what you mean sammy_boy damm i need a shower!
look over there terrorists heading for esato.....runnnn!!
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Posted: 2005-07-11 00:16:08
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On 2005-07-10 17:26:30, scotsboyuk wrote:
I would be quite interested in hearing the opinions of the other moderators on this issue.
OK, time to get back on track so I'll air my thoughts.
Masseur has allready said most of what needs to be said from the moderators side but I do have viwes on this as well.
Political and relegious topics scare the living daylight out of me!
Not that I have a big problem with them as such but, as Masseur said, they are a lot of work.
They need to be watched much closer than other topics and at the same time, if we do anything to them, all hell breaks loose;
Deleting/editing a post are looked at as "cencorship and interfearing with freedom of speach."
Removing links or pictures are looked upon the same way.
Warning members, who step over the line, gives us grief as we ar bombarded with PMs about how unfair we are and how useless we are at our job.
Banning a member for the same reason makes it even worse; Then several members ask where that member has gone and why he was banned. If we tell those members why we are find ourselves breaking our principle of privacy towards the banned member and when the ban is lifted that member are ready for a fight because we didn't tell hes mates the truth.
If we lock a political/religioius topic we find a pile of PMs from members who ask us to reopen it because they had a few more things to say.
Removing a poitical/religious topic results in flaming, often in a new topic created for the single reason to give us a hard time, where we are expected to "defend" ourselves. If we don't we are called chickens who hide and don't dare stand up for our actions.
I am not a big fan of these kinds of topics but I see why they appear every now and then; It's things we all are concered about one way or another. It's natural th speak to those you "meet" in here every day about things that are on your mind.
Banning political/religius topics?
No, I don't think that is the way to go.
The way to go is as simple as this: When Team Esato see the need to take some kind of action you accept it. When we say "stop, enough is enough", that's what it is.
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Posted: 2005-07-11 08:57:45
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@ tranquil
Excellent post. I can see how much work we give the mods!
I'd like to think that when a moderator has edited or pulled a post of mine, or given me 'advice', I have accepted such action gracefully. For all my faults, I'd like to think I accept moderation here without comment. I'd also like to note that, in my humble opinion, the moderators here tend to be fair and sensitive.
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Posted: 2005-07-11 09:07:21
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On 2005-07-10 22:27:12, tranquil wrote:
So that would be us saying "Sorry mate. You can't say what you mean but he/she can."
That is how it would be looked upon.
i disagree i think most memebers would be happy to see someone banned from the topic if they are just posting to inflame a discussion or single someone out.
i dont think you will be banning people who are making legitimate arguements rather people who do the exact opposite.
i also believe thats the participents in the said posts also have a responsiblity to make sure that people keep the thread running correctly. i think only after they fail should the mods need to step in and ban people from the thread
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Posted: 2005-07-11 09:25:26
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Singeling people out in a heated discussion is very difficult. The only way to do that is to watch the topic all the time.
By reading through a topic once in a while we find posts that ought to have been removed but the following three or four posts might reffer to that single post (Sometimes even 10th to 15th post after that again as well). By removing one post (That post wich qualyfies for banning) we need to go through the whole topic, from the end and forwards, to make sure there is no refferences to that post. Leaving refference posts defeats the purpouse of removing one post.
I certainly don't have the time to stare at one topic waiting for someone to say something stupid. If I did I'd guarantee you there'd be three or four others who share that single members view and we have the same rigmaroll going again.
Acceptence for us doing what we see needed is what I ask for.
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Posted: 2005-07-11 09:37:54
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thats fine i still think its the members who are using the thread first and foremost who should check there own behaviour. it tends to be the same few who lose the ablity to rational debate anyway.
i do accept that it must be tough moderarting such topic as well as everything else on a busy day on the board when posts can be flying in left right and centre
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Posted: 2005-07-11 09:49:59
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I think they should be banned.
@axxxr
You are such an idiot sometimes. This was a delicate thread and you come in saying where is your se-nse of humour? Oh haha. And then you turn all serious, as if you know it all.
Sorry, but a long time ago i thought you were a great guy. And i can say from experience because of these stupid 'freedom of speech' religious and political threads i went off you. you insulted a close esato member friend of mine, and she was not the kind of person that would do something to get an insult like that, and i thought, this guy is crazy. He is obsessed with politics and having his way and making sure his opinions are shown.
The reason why there is no point in these threads is because a) No-one ever backs down and b) this is a mobile phone forum discussion
You also ruin threads (not you axxxr, im not picking on you, others to) by turning it all political. On se-nse the thread about the london bombings was full of sympathies and a light hearted discussion about what happened. The one on esato is about members arguing in terrorism and islam are connected! I mean come on! Can we not just use our own brains to work out if something political or religious is getting out of hand. I have to agree with scotsboyuk. I am sorry, but this is not a discussion it is plain fact.
Esato is not about freedom of speech, it is about mobile phones. Sure, you can have a laugh but not at the expense of its primary function which can be destroyed if members fall out over political issues etc. etc.
Please! Just grow up all of you.
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Posted: 2005-07-11 10:11:21
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I tend to stay away from political threads, generally, its not my bag to be honest. But, I think political threads should stand. If we stop these threads because they are "non-mobile" what about threads like "on the couch with scotsboyuk" and "miss copperfields chat about anything thread" and, of course, practically ALL my threads! If you start saying "you cant create political threads, its a mobile site" then surely, all the other non-mobile related topics have to go too? I know you are talking about flame wars, people arguing, etc, which a lot of these other threads i've mentioned aren't conducive to, but, its a community forum, as has been mentioned a few times, and, whether you are of a political bent or not, as part of the esato community, you have to respect that other members are. Of course, these threads do have a tendency to escalate into full scale vitriolic hatred at times, but cutting them out of esato? I reckon thats maybe a little drastic. Esato is a rich place, with intelligent, open minded people from across the world, and its good to hear these peoples opinions on a wide variety of topics.
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Posted: 2005-07-11 10:14:12
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On 2005-07-11 10:11:21, vanquish wrote:
Please! Just grow up all of you.
Growing up starts with accepting that the world exists and that there are causes and effects.
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Posted: 2005-07-11 10:16:08
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On 2005-07-11 10:14:12, methylated_spirit wrote:
I tend to stay away from political threads, generally, its not my bag to be honest. But, I think political threads should stand. If we stop these threads because they are "non-mobile" what about threads like "on the couch with scotsboyuk" and "miss copperfields chat about anything thread" and, of course, practically ALL my threads! If you start saying "you cant create political threads, its a mobile site" then surely, all the other non-mobile related topics have to go too? I know you are talking about flame wars, people arguing, etc, which a lot of these other threads i've mentioned aren't conducive to, but, its a community forum, as has been mentioned a few times, and, whether you are of a political bent or not, as part of the esato community, you have to respect that other members are. Of course, these threads do have a tendency to escalate into full scale vitriolic hatred at times, but cutting them out of esato? I reckon thats maybe a little drastic. Esato is a rich place, with intelligent, open minded people from across the world, and its good to hear these peoples opinions on a wide variety of topics.
Bri agrees with a Meths post 100%.
Is this a first???
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Posted: 2005-07-11 10:20:33
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