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I agree that that is nonsense. Did Paul and them baptize guys each time they changed the people they were part of? No. Tradition is the biggest killer of the church. Other than gay right movements who i have read are targeting their attacks specifically towards the churches. The guy behind the biggest of these movements wrote something about it, and it is not because of anything but to bring the church down that they are doing it. And all the gays jump on the bandwagon because they think it is for gay rights. I must say, the guy behind it is using clever tactics.
Another article i read said that Europe is becoming more and more muslim. The europeans despise the church, want nothing to do with it, and they are growing more violent, divorce is at an all time high, and society is falling apart around them, and they are puzzled by this and are asking 'why?'. People only see and think what they want to see and think. I have a stupid zen saying i made up: avoid the wrong and the right will come:)
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Posted: 2006-09-09 15:57:56
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One thing i have seen some of my friends do, and it works well, is to start going to the same church, the one you plan to go to together after you are married. You do this for a few months and you do things through them. It is where your life is going to be.
The church my friends went to was a new church, and a great place. A place of relationship. None of this if and where you were baptized and useless nonsense like that. There is just pure relationship, the genuine 'who are YOU?' thing, not the 'are you baptized' or 'how much do you make?' thing. I have heard some churches ask to see your payslips to join. What is with that? It is exactly like the church leaders at the time of Jesus, trying to buy tickets for eternity. This world is a sick sick world.
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Posted: 2006-09-09 16:06:45
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Francois, i wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm terribly fortunate in that Mrs.K and i were at the same congregation when we got together. I'd been friends with her brother for years, only really noticed her (or rather, she noticed me!) much later... To me it was a blessing in disguise, since the last thing i would ever have wanted would've been the disharmony that sometimes results when couples are of different denominations or faiths, and kids are born...
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Posted: 2006-09-09 17:20:00
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@da wanqsta: That K800i on o2 looks quite generous. There's no way we're getting a K800i on any South African network for under R3000.
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Posted: 2006-09-09 22:25:36
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@ kryptic, the one thing they taught in my youth days was that if you go into a relationship you have to be equally yoked, meaning, if you are a christian and your partner is not, there are going to be problems. I think the only line of belief that it does not matter is new age. I mean, lots of new age lines are pretty much 'choose your own religion': add what you like and just ignore what you don't. Very convenient. I have seen ladies in a church environment be married to guys that do not believe, and the pain they go through is just not worth it. You have to sleep on the bed you made, so while making the bed, use your head.(no, the one on your shoulders:)
The one thing that was cool to see is our youth leader back in the day. She and a guy were starting to see each other, both out of similar yet way different churches. He was doing research at Oxford at the time. When he got back they both decided to get involved in the same church together, and got engaged during that time, or maybe earlier....
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Posted: 2006-09-10 01:17:41
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They got married a few months later and yeah, they are beyond perfect for each other. Both of them are brilliant at what they do: she is doing architecture and he is a scientist in the field of disease research. They became elders recently, and they are the most approachable people. Loving and caring beyond anything! He recently went to the uk to write his exam for his phd, and nothing has changed. These people set an example of no matter what, they are the same. No matter what successes or losses happen in their lives, you will be able to count on them.
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Posted: 2006-09-10 01:24:49
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All I've done today is work my backside off in preparation for our housewarming party, which we had tonight. Yeah, the Wanqing One and his better half pulled out all the stops and some of the critical extended family guests, with their occasional jealous and insecure guises, were particularly impressed...mission successful.
I won't stoop to some of their levels ie. boasting, as I firmly believe that actions speak so much louder than words and what I've achieved they can see with their own bloody eyes, without me having to show or say anything..'nuff said... it was fun to reap the rewards of our labours so emphatically.
The final guests have just left and now I can chill on esato before heading off upstairs to get some well-earned shut-eye.
@ da brixsta,
Yeah, it is a fantastic price for a K800i, and the fact that there is no branding on the handset just sweetens it.
I was surprised to see that on Carphone Warehouse's site, that they are now going to stock the M600i soon, as it is on their site's 'coming soon' section. Great stuff; just surprised that they're only stocking them soon and not closer to when the phone initially hit the shelves; perhaps there was some firmware issues or UK multi-network testing (including pre-installing all the UK networks' settings for GPRS etc for the M600i, which is how CPW sells most of their handsets,) that delayed CPW M600i availability.
No idea of what they gonna cost though, compared to say, Mobilefun or Expansys or Mphone's prices, but they're bound to be much cheaper.
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Posted: 2006-09-10 01:50:17
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@Wanqa, i'm glad it went off well, boet. If that pic of the garden was anything to go by, i'm certain the place looks brilliant!
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Posted: 2006-09-10 05:24:00
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@rhino, laying down laws of right and wrong, good and bad, is overly simplistic. Just as we're called upon to accept that as individuals we prefer different books, have different dress sense, like different foods and resonate with different religions, perhaps what our external behaviour suggests is not all that indicative of the state of our soul. If i want tattoos and a piercing, why not? Just because you dont like it, it's wrong? Is it wrong to dye our hair and put on make up?
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Posted: 2006-09-10 06:52:00
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While personally i may not be attracted to piercings, am i misled for wearing earrings? Body art was a major practice in many african and asian cultures - are you saying that these people had no right to pay tribute to the divine by adorning their bodies? The more you think, the more you begin to realise that almost everything in life comes in shades of grey as opposed to black and white.
This i consider to be the phenomenon at work when my strongly Catholic mother decided on an abortion.
[ This Message was edited by: psychonymphe on 2006-09-10 06:11 ]
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Posted: 2006-09-10 07:07:00
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