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I'm just happy to see that
is starting to get rid of their proprietary port and replacing it with 3.5mm and microUSB ports. FINALLY!!
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Posted: 2009-11-23 05:28:49
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On 2009-11-23 05:02:46, c96sthl wrote:
Not I want to criticize Eldar review but I wonder he factor in stuff like
drop on DRAM price/ ARM processor Price. etc.
also the price on LCD/ camera module.
those stuff by the time Kurara out will not be same as what Samsung offering.
I will rather wait and see whether SE is really commited to a change which include affordability with good quality
Although Eldar has a bit of insight on products, a little the same or less on mass marketing or marketing segmentation; as apposed to his better knowledge of marketing direction of platforms & software by the industry & where its going. I just feel that he's not up to speed about dropping ARM as a processor. I don't think he's aware of the SMP capabilities of ARM Cortex A9 and better power efficiency's for any mobile OS going forward and better put against Snapdragon. I think he's still sold on higher mhz = better performance; unfortunately like the massive consumers out there.
We shall see, we SHALL see.
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Posted: 2009-11-23 06:08:26
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Why the hell is that Eldar's previews of SE phones revolve around talking about the company for 80% of the time and 20% on the model?
He doesn't have this problem writing about the models from others, does he?
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Posted: 2009-11-23 07:52:09
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I'll retract that Eldar is right that
cannot afford so much investment in 4 platforms. However he's wrong that sales of Satio should equal dropping the platform entirely. Dropping Symbian entirely alienates a considerable amount of
smartphone users still using P1i, P990i or the odd man out using G900/G700 units. Many UK users love Symbian because it matches the power of WM without its horrible UI or complexity. Eldar thinks, no commands that Since Nokia is dropping it to the mass market then
doesn't have a chance.
News Flash Eldar! Nokia has been using Symbian IN the mass market for just over 10YRS! IT's called S60 and it's been used in the following devices:
7650
3650/3660
6600/6620
6680/6682
73xx (I forget the fashion model design)
6260-Flip.
N-Gage/N-Gage QD
N-Series: N70, N72, N90, N73, N92, N93/N93i/Golf Ed, N80, N81/N81-8GB, N92, N95, N85, N86, N97/N97-Mini,
E-Series: E50, 51, E60, E61, E90, E52, E71, E63, E66, E72, and about 2 others.
Does this NOT sound like Nokia's Symbian for the mass market play Eldar?! Sh*T you reviewed over half of them already!
Sorry There is just something about the quality & fit in finish in the UI of
's previous Symbian products (Satio an exception & a consumer disappointment) that I think they'll continue to do well with with Symbian^1 or Symbian^2 onward.
For just 1 quarter if
drops Symbian going forward it'll look good to their share holders ... and to the bottom line (1 and the same really). BUT it means that a sizeable chunk of their work-force (already experienced in C++ programing; not just carbide) will be unemployed and = severance packages. Now think about this for a bit. This means fewer experienced coders to work on WM platform as well ... C++ coding can still be used well in WM and the future being C# or J# or .NET; many of M$ tools can work well with their C++ coding regimen.
Another way to look at it, quite simply is, CAN
afford to place their bets on Android? CAN
go up for Android units shipped per quarter, at a price point equal to (in each segment) the MAIN competition, and still pull in hefty profits against a former OEM like HTC, and other OEM entrants willing and quickly able to make Android OEM devices in HUGE volumes for providers for rebranding?! Only time will tell - AND if the answer is YES, then this can be done with Symbian as well. Putting all your eggs into 1 basket in ANY business is NEVER a good idea, HTC isn't doing it; and only Dell or Apple are because their just starting out and Apple has a unique and thriving ecosystem that supports their 1 egg view. I doubt Dell can do well at all. Oh and lets not forget that Motorola has a LOT of experience using Linux kernels in mobile smartphones - marketed as feature phones for almost 5yrs+ now [using LiMo Foundation's brand of Linux, essentially the same kernel used in Android, no?!]
It's pricing and marketing that
is hurting in, but it seems that their changing their game and very FAST.
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Posted: 2009-11-23 08:35:09
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Guys,
looking at the tone and the selection of reviewed devices,
I can bet Eldar is payed to sh..t over
I have no doubt about it,
especially when he jacks off about any other product.
I mean it's so obvious.
AND the device is not EVEN announced just LEAKED!
But there's no article on X10....
He just works to scr..w the
brand.
A who..re.
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2009-11-23 12:28 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-23 13:22:34
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Dropping Symbian entirely alienates a considerable amount of smartphone users still using P1i, P990i or the odd man out using G900/G700 units.
I disagree. Has an ex-UIQ fan and user, i do not recognize the actual "symbian" s60 has something even remotely adequate to replace UIQ. I hate it, and i think SE should drop it entirely and replace it by Android, that in itself in much more similar to the awesome next generation UIQ concepts we´ve seen.
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Posted: 2009-11-23 16:02:42
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Symbian is actually fine if SE wants to create mid-end multimedia smartphones and enterprise phones like they once had (They really have to provide a proper mail service to back it up though). The range would be a nice alternative to the E series and priced right, would compliment the high priced WM devices. Frankly, Android is nowhere near Symbian when it comes to functionality.
Just because Eldar said Symbian is going down doesn't make it so. The W995, which Eldar called a niche product that won't sell well (Sounds familiar, doesn't it) has become a modern day best seller for SE. Let's wait and see how the U5 turns out.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-23 15:13 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-23 16:12:58
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On 2009-11-23 16:12:58, synn wrote:
Symbian is actually fine if SE wants to create mid-end multimedia smartphones and enterprise phones like they once had (They really have to provide a proper mail service to back it up though). The range would be a nice alternative to the E series and priced right, would compliment the high priced WM devices. Frankly, Android is nowhere near Symbian when it comes to functionality.
Just because Eldar said Symbian is going down doesn't make it so. The W995, which Eldar called a niche product that won't sell well (Sounds familiar, doesn't it) has become a modern day best seller for SE. Let's wait and see how the U5 turns out.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-11-23 15:13 ]
Exactly.
Eldar is a lunatic these days IMO,
for me lost completely it's credibility.
@ares
Yes and No!
Today I'm not a Symbian fan at all.
However how the OS will turn out depends on the company which tweaks it.
I mean if it was possible to built UIQ over it... Nothing's impossible.
But to be honest Symbian UI today is the worst.
Not consistent, with the ugliest Today screen ever, not even eyecandy,
with the input fields looking like cr..p.
I don't like Android much and I keep fingers crossed for WM,
but UI wise Android beats Symbian.....
But we'll see.
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Posted: 2009-11-23 18:44:57
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I agree with everything he says, there is no point moaning about him talking about the company as a whole because we all want to hear it (really).
Anyway, he wasn't negative about the device, only stating the truth, if the camera module is poor then its poor, no point covering it up. He even said he found the device "likeable".
But the real success lies in the cost of the phone,
really should release it for the price eldar said, as its about time sony ericsson had a best seller (and no the W995 or C905 were not bestsellers). Otherwse there is no way the device will sell. not with the Satio been released so close and by then the Satio will cost less, this device is doomed unless it is priced apropriatley.
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Posted: 2009-11-23 19:51:09
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Actually, the C905 and W995 sold pretty well.
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Posted: 2009-11-23 21:08:32
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