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That's your opinion. And just like you, there are others who think SONY made great phones. Especially the CMD Z5.
And if SONY went solo today, there is no doubt they would come out with phones that are extremely stylish and innovative.
And anyone who thinks otherwise should go and check the SONY product line up. Each product category they are present in, they make revolutionary products.
Cameras - NEX series, Translucent mirror Alpha SLT series etc
Laptops - Vaio Z series - the most powerful ultra portable in the world, power of a desktop replacement in a chassis that weighs as much as an average notebook.
And the list goes on.....

And you would agree that basics aside, the things we love phones for all come from Sony.
Walkman and cybershot are Sony brand names, and Sony tech went into all the walkman and cybershot phones.
Style and design - another Sony trait.
And the Japanese phones are live examples of what SONY alone can do, those phones for Japan have mostly been SONY projects and just look at how awesome those phones are.
BRAVIA OLED screens, 12 - 16mp CMOS/EXMOR cameras, though they don't run Android they have 1 ghz snapdragon processor.

Whether anyone likes it or not, the success and popularity/ fan following that achieved was/is due to SONY brands/technologies and not Ericsson networking/management.

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Posted: 2011-02-08 16:25:44
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This is going to turn into that infamous and futile exercise of Sony vs Ericsson. I suggest some of the Sony fans learn more about Ericsson before writing silly things. Sony do make stylish products no doubt but innovative and technologically advanced phones were definitely Ericsson. This 'if Sony goes it alone it could be better than Ericsson' is pure crap!! No one knows what would happen and if some of you bothered to find out about Ericsson you would have a different opinion.

Just because Sony has these many brands and sub-brands doesn't mean they will be able to pull it off should they go it alone. For an example, Sony hi-fis are struggling next to the likes of Denon, Yamaha and Pioneer. Their cameras aren't as good as the Nikons and Canons. I can go on and on, Sony is not as powerful as before.
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Posted: 2011-02-08 16:57:44
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You are wrong. What I hate about sony is their fu*king policy about not competing with their own products and their fu*king love for their own formats (and the hate towards open software). Examples: They could have owned the mediacenter market with playstation 3 (and crushed popcorn hour 2years before it was even released) if they had given it some PROPER codec support. But no, "It can compete with vaio bla bla bla". They cant give their vaios better graphic cards (cuz then it competes with ps3) so they loose to asus and other brands. They actually released an Eseries laptop here in sweden with a good graphic card (and it sold like crazy) but then in the next version it was downgraded (??? retarded). Then their tvs, in 2009 Samsung has mediacenter (with support for all codecs you can think of) which is awesome and for a lower price. They sell like crazy with the whole LED marketing. Sony doenst want to compete with their bluray and dvd players so they skip all that. In 2010 they have a mediacenter but just a crippled one compared to LG and Samsung and they have to cut prices so now they are even lower than samsung. They could never compete with apple in the mp3 business in 2005 or something because the insisted on using their own format

So DRM, their own ports on mobile phones, memory stick, no xvid etc etc I blame sony!! I can easily skip walkman and cybershot (not even present anymore anyway) to get rid of sonys strange business style

AND look at psp2 they HAVE the technology (oled, etc) but they wont share it with SE anyway

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Posted: 2011-02-08 17:05:57
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Totally agree with you "motvikt". But for now lets keep to the topic. Dualcore fanboys and SE-haters keep out! Let us discuss ARC in this thread...
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Posted: 2011-02-08 19:57:00
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Good reply's on my short and most personal option... anyway's i think the Co-op SE is what made Sony and Ericsson stay in the mobile industry. On their own they would not have come this far (my opinion, again) and we are talking about the europen market/usa. The asian market is bloated with noname(to us)/copies phones and other weird stuff

on topic > How do i convince myself bying the arc when i already have an x10i 16gb 2.2 custom froyo rom? (money is a real issue here)

sell and get atleast some cash for the x10i making the buy somewhat cheaper?
sell my body over the internet?
rob some old lady walking away from the ATM?

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Posted: 2011-02-08 21:04:57
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Posted: 2011-02-08 21:19:59
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Whoops! Yet another video showing the Arc being awkwardly held by the tips of the fingers. This will not be a comfortable, natural phone to hold. Probably end up hearing about lots of them being accidently dropped!
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Posted: 2011-02-09 01:25:38
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On 2011-02-08 16:57:44, Dups! wrote:
\\r\\n\\r\\nThis is going to turn into that infamous and futile exercise of Sony vs Ericsson. I suggest some of the Sony fans learn more about Ericsson before writing silly things. Sony do make stylish products no doubt but innovative and technologically advanced phones were definitely Ericsson. This \\\\\\'if Sony goes it alone it could be better than Ericsson\\\\\\' is pure crap!! No one knows what would happen and if some of you bothered to find out about Ericsson you would have a different opinion. \\r\\n\\r\\nJust because Sony has these many brands and sub-brands doesn\\\\\\'t mean they will be able to pull it off should they go it alone. For an example, Sony hi-fis are struggling next to the likes of Denon, Yamaha and Pioneer. Their cameras aren\\\\\\'t as good as the Nikons and Canons. I can go on and on, Sony is not as powerful as before. \\n

Before Sony Ericsson I always prefered Ericsson for phones. Sony are a great company but their old phones I hated them. I owned 3
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Posted: 2011-02-09 01:36:00
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I'm a sony fanboy, so maybe my comments will be biased (almost everything in my house has `SONY' label on it). I think, they are innovative. Look at their new translucent DSLR (eventhough canon used that technology in the 70s) but Sony re-innovate the translucent mirror technology and look what they've done with their A55 and A33. The best DLSR I've ever used (close to pro performances with mid-range price tag).

back to topic,

I think the stylish design of SE phones come from SONY. Look at X10 and xperia Arc, they manage to produce a design that is not same with other brands...

For xperia Arc, is there any preview with latest build ? I mean other than the prototype. I just want to know how far they have improved the phone.
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Posted: 2011-02-09 04:11:59
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When people mention ‘back to their best’, I don’t think they are referring to number of sales, rather the quality of the handset. And it seems your directing it at sales bono?? (that’s how I am interpreting it anyway lol)

Obviously I cant speak on behalf of everyone, but in goldenface’ case, I think he is referring to the quality of the phones SE will release this year!

edit: @Haribolman, im sure have done enough in house testing to ensure the shape of the phone wont be any issue. Ive seen you mention it a couple times now, why not just wait until you hold one and judge for yourself, not from a video. And im fairly sure I have read comments online which praise the ergonomics

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Posted: 2011-02-09 07:55:15
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