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WP is officially the 3rd player in the OS games... Nokia really did the heavy lifting here, without them.. WP will be exactly where Windows Mobile ended up.
So you will get all the apps eventually, its only a matter of time.
Now, I am not sure how Microsoft plans on keeping the momentum going without the Nokia logo on their phones.. aftear all, a lot of people buy lumia because it says Nokia on the front.
Anyway, the 1520 is indeed running lumia black firmware which is good news for the 1020
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Posted: 2013-10-23 00:12:18
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Be good if more OEM's came on board though to WP there isn't enough.
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Posted: 2013-10-23 00:15:04
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i agree about the Microsoft keeping momentum without Nokia logo- would anyone that bought Lumia have considered it without the Nokia logo?
i am happy that they supported wp8 though- it is nice to have an alternative to ios android duopoly...
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Posted: 2013-10-23 00:36:59
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Some more info about Flipboard for W8 and WP8:
http://wmpoweruser.com/flipbo[....]windows-and-windows-phone-app/
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Posted: 2013-10-23 01:49:36
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thats a shame... i was looking forward to trying flipboard...anyway it is good thing it is coming
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Posted: 2013-10-23 11:15:49
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On 2013-10-22 18:26:47, cu015170 wrote:
This would help the situation for sure..
But they should still improve the post processing on the phone, they are not extracting the maximum out of the sensor.
RAW means that post processing doesn't matter. You process it yourself.
Lightroom support is needed though. I don't think Nokia will be releasing their own RAW software. And even so, it's hard to convince anyone of the usefulness of RAW if not supported by standalone professional software.
About pulling the max out of the sensor, the 1020 is already the champion of detail/noise confirmed by professional testing.
Nokia MUST address though the color rendering, and their poor auto WB.
And if they develop a new set of algorithms for boosting the noise/detail levels then it can only mean good news. The 1020 will then be in a league of its own.
Best IQ. Full manual exposure and focus control. Smart Cam. Refocus and other useful tricks at the go. Camera grip with tripod mount and extra battery. Amazingly designed UI with speed and good response as well. Nothing comes close.
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Posted: 2013-10-23 16:13:27
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So from what I read, Nokia is changing their policy about their image processing algorithms from the Lumia.
And this includes color, sharpening, and noise.
Now this can only mean good news. We will have a full idea when the Lumia 1520 gets released. But already got a peek from the first released photos which showed standard coloring, and less sharpening.
All they need to do is really make the coloring same as the iPhone. I think since the iPhone 4s, the Apple got the best color rendering on a cameraphone. Not neutral and totally washed out. Not punchy and boosted up. Just standard.
As to sharpening, it may work well for landscapes, but for anything else it is no good. And even for landscape they could do with a bit less sharpening. But definitely not go back to 808's softness! Also here they must hit the good balance.
Just remove graining due to the oversharpening in most images or minimalize it..
And of course they badly need to adjust the auto WB.
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Posted: 2013-10-24 19:38:06
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Well they have to since that's what people want.. they were on the right path with the N8 and the 808, and then I don't know who made the decision to go into Disney Land. Maybe it wasn't a decision and that's all they could do at the time, but its really nice to hear that they are going back to where they were with Symbian.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/noki[....]he-old-oversampling-algorithm/
"The oversampling algorithm in the Lumia 1020 was altered compared to the 808 PureView phone resulting in
oversaturated colors and noisier images. Well, Nokia is bringing back the old algorithms with the Nokia Black update."
Spot on GSMarena.
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RAW support is also on the way."
They will be using DNG for RAW which will results in files size of around 40mb. I am hoping that they would give a choice of just saving that, without the 5Mpix thing, because considering how slow the shot to shot time on the 1020 is right now, this would slow it down even further.
Despite that, writing 40 mb to memory will take some time.. my guess would be 7-8 seconds, which is fine.. I mean if you are shooting RAW you are probably set up and have the time. It just won't be ideal for quick snaps.
They should add a 8-9Mpix mode... 5 is a bit too low.
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Posted: 2013-10-24 20:54:11
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On 2013-10-24 20:54:11, cu015170 wrote:
Well they have to since that's what people want.. they were on the right path with the N8 and the 808, and then I don't know who made the decision to go into Disney Land. Maybe it wasn't a decision and that's all they could do at the time, but its really nice to hear that they are going back to where they were with Symbian.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/noki[....]he-old-oversampling-algorithm/
"The oversampling algorithm in the Lumia 1020 was altered compared to the 808 PureView phone resulting in
oversaturated colors and noisier images. Well, Nokia is bringing back the old algorithms with the Nokia Black update."
No they weren't on the right track with the N8 and 808 either. Never liked Nokia's algorithms. Only their hardware.
N8 and 808 lack contrast and sharpness. The colors are too washed out. On a landscape one could adjust it. But for portraits skin tones are way too pale. As if shooting dead people. Auto WB was always inferior to the competition.
The decision for the change with Lumia is due to the feedback they got on the 808 and earlier products. Specially from American websites.
They went too far. Apple received feedback to do the contrary. As with the iPhone 4 their colors were a joke.
Now the iPhone manages the best colors among cameraphones.
Besides, the 1020 is not noisier than the 808, it's grainier. And people looked at those grains and thought it was luminance noise. Hard to differentiate on 1:1 anyway. All they need to do is balance the sharpening. Not go back to 808 levels nor keep it like this.
They will be using DNG for RAW which will results in files size of around 40mb. I am hoping that they would give a choice of just saving that, without the 5Mpix thing, because considering how slow the shot to shot time on the 1020 is right now, this would slow it down even further.
DNG is adobe format. This will make it work automatically with LR and PS! Great news.
And of course on such a camera, RAW is not to be used all the time. Simply not practical and meaningless anyway. No one would bother process every single shot made on a cameraphone. But RAW gives that option when one wants to shoot an interesting motive and process it later to one's liking. It gives a new dimension of freedom to the photographer.
Despite that, writing 40 mb to memory will take some time.. my guess would be 7-8 seconds, which is fine.. I mean if you are shooting RAW you are probably set up and have the time. It just won't be ideal for quick snaps.
They should add a 8-9Mpix mode... 5 is a bit too low.
They should do that yes. When shooting full res and oversampled they could limit the oversampled to 5MP. They should offer single 5MP and 8MP modes though.
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Posted: 2013-10-24 21:14:14
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^ are you calling GSMarena incompetent ?
We will see what they do, but I suspect that they might go back to N8/808 algorithms which is great news. They might be even better... I just hope that they get rid of those iPhone 4 like colors, its really annoying.
I am also hoping that they can do something about the edge sharpness.. I stopped by the Microsoft store today and took these
Both locked @ 100iso, everything else on auto.
808
left side
right side
1020
left side
right side
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Posted: 2013-10-24 21:55:35
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