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On 2013-10-24 21:55:35, cu015170 wrote:
^ are you calling GSMarena incompetent ?
Since when GSMarena are experts in photography?!
They some laughable analyses in the past. To me they fall in the same category with Steve. They do know a thing or two on digital photography. They are pretty experienced in handling cameraphones. And their comparison tests are well done. Well at least they know how to frame two smartphones the same. And not like other websites shooting at different angles and from different positions with every smartphone.
Conclusions they draw, and sometimes the choice of some testing scenes, are mostly funny.
As to their articles, GSMarena make many mistakes. Not talking about photography only. Specially in their blog. And not every editor in GSMarena tests cameraphones you know. They mostly just report.
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2013-10-24 21:10 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-24 22:10:18
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^ So.. who is professional in your opinion ? DPreview ?
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Posted: 2013-10-24 22:12:11
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On 2013-10-24 22:12:11, cu015170 wrote:
^ So.. who is professional in your opinion ? DPreview ?
At the moment they are the only ones who review cameras on smartphones professionally.
DXOmark is about a series of tests. Not a true review website. But their numbers are the only numbers that could be trusted. Other similar tests are not usually applied to cameraphones. And they are partners with DPreview as well.
So this combo of DXOmark and DPreview is the only thing to label as professional. Yes.
And before you quote their reviews, both actually claim that the 1020 is best in detail and noise.
DXOmark gave 1020 better marks on detail and noise. And DPreview gave same still photography mark for both the 1020 and 808.
And our debate was always about detail and noise.
As to the overall camera, both the 1020 and 808 have their flaws against the competition. And both have their flaws against each other.
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Posted: 2013-10-24 22:33:46
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dxo.. the peeps who rated the led flash on the Z1 higher than the xenon on the 1020 ? Very credible for sure.
DPreview remains the only one..
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Posted: 2013-10-25 05:39:41
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On 2013-10-25 05:39:41, cu015170 wrote:
dxo.. the peeps who rated the led flash on the Z1 higher than the xenon on the 1020 ? Very credible for sure.
DPreview remains the only one..
Are you doubting DXO, whom profs, who do photography for a living, pay to get those tests and compare the equipment to decide what to get?!
DPreview is a consumer site after all. They focus on consumer products and their reviews are meant for the average Joes to understand. Most of the prof products are not reviewed there even.
Besides, they quote DXOmark in every review they make. So it's funny you regard them higher. Although DXO Labs and DPreview are too different things. Not comparable.
And yes, if you look at the exposure, WB, and the coloring of the 1020's Xenon shots, these fall behind the Z1, GS4, and iP5s with their LEDs! It's a brighter and faster flash, but Nokia ruined it all! Will wait for the update though. Surely they must be doing something about it right now and include the fixes in the Black update..
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2013-10-25 12:14 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-25 13:13:15
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Phone Arena are the worst for photography testing
GSM Arena bit better but these were always mobile phone review sites they are not professionals
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Posted: 2013-10-25 15:18:25
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DxO's ranking makes no sense to me.. I am actually surprised that they have the 808 as their top pick...
They ranked the Z1, the 5s, and gs4 higher than the 1020 ..
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-10-25 20:20 ]
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Posted: 2013-10-25 21:20:36
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On 2013-10-25 21:20:36, cu015170 wrote:
DxO's ranking makes no sense to me.. I am actually surprised that they have the 808 as their top pick...
They ranked the Z1, the 5s, and gs4 higher than the 1020 ..
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-10-25 20:20 ]
Why do you keep repeating same refuted points again and again.
When it comes to detail/noise DXO rated the 1020 way ahead of the iPhone 5s and GS4.
But overall, yes, the 1020 has too many flaws to be rated ahead.
And these tests deal with auto modes where 1020's flaws are most evident and frequent.
Look at the color rating they gave the 1020. 56 while first three phones were given in the 80s and 90s.
If Nokia addresses the 1020's coloring problem, which are evident to all (look at the photo you took above, I would take an iPhone photo over it at any given day), then the 1020 will easily jump to top spot.
Also with the 808 as well, while it excels at noise and detail, it is not ahead in other areas.
A photo is not only about detail and noise levels! Specially when vast majority of phone's images are shared online or printed small. Color then becomes a more important factor. Depends on the use case.
You shoot your photos and immediately examine them at 1:1. But if you compare them zoomed out, you would notice that the iPhone would give better results than the 808 at times. More pleasing and correct color and WB. Difference in detail and noise won't be visible to the eye then.
DXO rate AF as well. All of these score add up to the final score.
Seriously now, if I were you, in case I figure out that my views are not in line with DXO's results, I would go open some photography books again and download more tutorials and learn again! Not the other way around, concluding that DXO are rubbish!
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Posted: 2013-10-25 22:05:27
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On 2013-10-25 22:05:27, false_morel wrote:
But if you compare them zoomed out, you would notice that the iPhone would give better results than the 808 at times. More pleasing and correct color and WB. Difference in detail and noise won't be visible to the eye then.
That’s the big problem of 808, dull/wrong colors. All 808 photos in the photo section have exaggerated colors saturation, unnatural at least. There’s something wrong with 808, not with DXO.
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Posted: 2013-10-25 23:27:51
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The 808 has manual settings for contrast, color, and saturation.. if you see a photo that is saturated that is user desired. If you shoot in auto the color reproduction is very much like the N8, neutral/natural, and I am hoping that Nokia are going back to that with the next 1020 camera update.
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Posted: 2013-10-26 01:47:50
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