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they use it to boost frequencies that are weak.

In a club environment, certain frequencies are absorbed by the environment, others are enhanced. So a sound technician (or DJ) has to adjust the levels to suit the environment. Also, in clubs, people generally are thumping bass nuts. I myself like thimping bass in a club, when dancing.

But would I listen to rock and roll with the same eq levels that a DJ uses in a club? No. At a rock and roll concert, sound tech adjust levels also, but to suit a concert hall environment.

When you have a good quality sound source and good quality isolating headphones, it's not necessary to boost any frequencies - you can listen to the music exactly as the recording artist intended it.

If you like to artifically boost bass, other than to correct for a device's inherrant flaws, then fair enough, but you are adapting the sound away from it's original design.

What I'm arguing, is that SE Walkmen players have sufficient quality that it's not necessary to enhance the eq levels. Obviously Apple are so confident of this in their ipod's that they don't bother with EQ at all.

I don't mind if people like extra bass, because we all hear differently and some people hear some frequencies better than others. But with good isolating earphones and a quality player, most people should be able to hear the music as it was intended without any EQ.


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[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2008-03-22 12:45 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-22 13:07:27
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Exactly the point i was making look at a mixing desk in a recording studio and how complex and able to tweak the smallest details that is. That is the time that the producer, engineer and band after recording the tracks tweak the sound how they want it to be. Yes to a degree that is cheating but it enables them to produce the best results for our listening pleasure and how they want to sound. It also explains why with some bands or singers there singles or Albums sound great but there live performances never reach the same quality or sound the same.

Max explained perfectly the need for DJ's or live performances as to why they use it but if your device and ear phones are of sufficient quality you really shouldn't need to have to use an Equalizer. Personally i always leave them off and never use them at all, but everyone is free to do what suits them and to achieve a sound they prefer. But to judge a device as being better for giving this option is wrong as it is there to correct it's inadequacies and on better devices really shouldn't be necessary at all.

@Max

Actually the iPods do have EQ just not user defined they come with presets for different types of Music, which is arguable if the are necessary or not but then a lot will depend on how low a bit rate some use or the type of sound they prefer. As i said i never use the EQ so have no idea if it is any good or not but somehow doubt it's worth it.

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-03-22 19:36 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-22 20:28:17
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I'm beginning to love this thread. the thread rich in infos. in fact i learn some new things about determining audio quality(which i actually sucked at )
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Posted: 2008-03-22 23:54:00
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well i think eq's r very important for any audio device, besides that, i totally agree with Dogmann(n i luv mega bass ).

Also, you guys should really consider microsoft zune, last time when i checked it at cnet, zune was 1st n then ipod. N hopefully after my exams i cud get a zune(basically for vids).
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Posted: 2008-03-23 00:26:42
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I havent read much pinion on here about the w890i, but ive just bought this phone (upgrade) and cant believe that people have such strong feelings towards the iphone.

my view is this: dedicated mp3 players will produce better quality sound reproduction overall than a device that handles both phone and music functions. i may be wrong, but that my opinion. for example, i cant compare my w890i with an ipod, but i can with an iphone?

ok, i also own a Sony Walkman 4gb A816, with upgraded noise cancelling headphones included. this i have compared to my gf's 4gb ipod nano (2nd gen), my sister's 1gb ipod shuffle, my SE w810i, my friend's 30gb ipod classic (5th gen), an ipod nano (3rd gen video, in apple store) and a display ipod 8gb touch (in the apple store).

in all honesty? the iphone and ipod products DO NOT compare. the nanos suck, only the classic and touch had comparable quality. even then, the touch suffered somewhat in crashing volume and brash reproduction. the iphone quality is good, but i feel it doesnt come close to touching the latest in sony Walkman products, especially the A816 that i have. the iphone is however, marginally better than my SE w890i in terms of sound but not by much). Overall, the ipods/iphone is not as good as the Sony Walkmans.

many thanks for reading

[ This Message was edited by: mrllcoolj on 2008-04-22 04:17 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-18 03:56:30
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oh, and surely you should be looking at the new crop of SE phones? they are looking very swish and swanky!

ie. w890i, w980, c series etc...

many thanks
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Posted: 2008-04-18 04:01:07
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Posted: 2008-04-22 01:24:26
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[ This Message was edited by: mrllcoolj on 2008-04-22 04:17 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-22 02:17:29
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Posted: 2008-04-23 21:25:32
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I bought a USA iPod Mini before it was released in the UK many years ago,
it was nicething to have, but I used to think the sound was abit to quiet, then the iTunes used to do my headin having to install that and muck about with with traxx I got rid of it after a month

I used to love the sound Quality on the dear old P910i,

I nearley bought a Sony MP3 player a few months ago well I did but it went walkies in the post I could of got another but I would have to wait for more stock

to bugger with that I got one of these instead

never been so happy with it sound qualitys great and it lasts 17hrs,
it's small and practical fit's anywhere, has drop and drag no messy software needed, and a lovely display!

not bad for £25 was in a sale



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Posted: 2008-04-28 03:28:26
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