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On 2008-07-25 17:21:00, Bonovox wrote:
Not sure if anyone noticed but i used to have a W900i on Vodafone some years back. What i noticed with that phone was it had the smoothest view finder of any camera phone i seen from SE. Think its cos video had 30fps but it was so smooth and great no lag when panning around. Not seen that since.
It was amazing.
I had footage taken from a cab going past Brooklyn Bridge in NYC and it still amazes me even now.
Proabably due to the graphics chip.
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Posted: 2008-07-25 18:13:26
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Let's not forget the stupid design decisions that Se have also made. For me the side fastport has stopped me using my w890 as a mp3 player. They took away the play/pause button, the autofocus, the led. Things i became used to with the w800. Se decided it was best if they moved backwards, so they did.
It's funny, the market was booming and they had low to mid specs out.
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Posted: 2008-07-25 19:08:00
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IMO the reason why Nokia is doing so well is due to the fact that they provide choice to consumers. You can have everything in a business phone powerhouse (E90) or shed some weight and features with E61, everything in a multimedia powerhouse (N95 8Gb) or something more affordable in the same category which is many to say the least. We don't even have to go to the entry level ones for us to know how much of a choice they provide to their consumers. SE 'thinks' they are giving us choice by slapping brands on their devices such as Walkman and Cybershot and omitting features on either phones to segmentize them further, but what they're actually doing is MAKING US CHOOSE which is far from giving us choice. At the end of the day, they sacrifice perfection for such flawed marketing strategy and give us half-assed products. To add insult to the injury their QC has taken a turn for the worst and their arrogance has left them in the dark as to what their customers really want. SE has to shape up or prepare to ship out
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Posted: 2008-07-25 20:26:50
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i have a w890i but the main problem on this device is lack of shack control ,led flash and most important the keypad on it is to tine for me I still use it as a back up . to me a phone must have top technology high loud speaker and a good useage ( camera,buttons ,fast port, software).what im seeing from sony ericsson is poor quality no effort on the product .SE just carries abouts it economy purpose not what there customer need . I've had it with the poor quality of sony ericsson its like they think people are actualy not going to do a research on thier phone see what phone they want .if SE doesnt provide a phone with good quality and effort im just will go for another phone brand with high quality and specification.iwant the people to compare between the w902 and c902 no differnce except for walkman mode how are they trying to laugh at there selfs because no way im going to replace a phone with a mono speaker and same specif as c902 and no wifi .
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Posted: 2008-07-25 22:26:31
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On 2008-07-25 12:32:03, Dogmann wrote:
@carkitter
Whilst you take the information from SE's PR which is a joke all by itself and reach your conclusions. I make my assumptions from SE's sales and market share drops which shows exactly what the whole market thinks of SE. Not what SE's spin machine tries to say and seems to believe.
SE's sales and market share drops you quote from come from SE press releases. SE profit warnings also come from SE press releases. SE are being truthfull about the situation, you are not.
On 2008-07-25 12:32:03, Dogmann wrote:
The largest growing market in phones at the moment is smart phones although they are mainly Multimedia smart phones.
This is incorrect. The largest growing market is entry level phones in emerging markets. SE has already moved into this market in a big way and continues to do so.
The Mid and high end market is shrinking that's why
and Nokia have lost sales and profitability in these areas.
The market which attracts the most publicity is smart phones, this is not to be confused with market reality though.
Just because you make a statement Marc does not make it so.
It seems to me that the most vehement critics of
are the PDA owners who are nearly all now Nokia owners with a few iPhones, Blackberrys and HTC's for good measure. Its unfortunate that
has not been able to keep up in this area but this does not mean
is doomed to failure as PDA's are not
's core business. Feature-phones (dumb phones) are
's core business and in this area
provide an enjoyable user experience with A200, a wide range of features and innovative design. We know they are not selling as well as they could and that some features like Wifi, larger screens and better video recording/playback would help. But one niche (PDA's) and one failure (k850) do not end a company like Sony Ericsson especially one which is investing heavily in R&D, has chosen new leadership, and releases statements like "No longer do you need to make a choice between music, media and imaging when picking your next phone. Compromise is now a thing of the past... " I think they are listening to us, but change takes time.
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Posted: 2008-07-26 05:32:30
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se's a200 is a compromise for the poor/broke.
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Posted: 2008-07-26 06:38:13
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@carkitter
"SE profit warnings also come from SE press releases. SE are being truthfull about the situation, you are not. "
Doggman is right. one should go by the facts and figures and ignore the spin. they speak a lot louder than "sony ericsson is investing in the future" when their figures tell a different story (eg the fact that they are dismissing 2000 of their staff).
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On 2008-07-25 22:26:31, DEAF wrote:
I have a w890i but the main problem on this device is lack of shake control ,led flash and most important the keypad on it is too tiny for me I still use it as a back up. To me a phone must have top technology, a loud speaker and good usability (camera, buttons, fast port, software). What I'm seeing from sony ericsson is poor quality, no effort on the product.
Sounds to me like you bought the wrong phone. Did you try it out first? Did you look at models equipped with Shake Control and those with LED flash? Did you try the buttons? And still you bought the W890... how is this
's fault? W890 is a good phone, I'm considering it myself ATM. What I'm seeing is little effort on your part.
On 2008-07-25 22:26:31, DEAF wrote:
SE just carries abouts it economy purpose not what there customer need.
That old chestnut about 'profits before people' again? Grow up, You didn't have to buy the phone. Your complaints are about the phone specification of which you knew before you purchased, not about the quality of the product.
On 2008-07-25 22:26:31, DEAF wrote:
I've had it with the poor quality of sony ericsson. It's like they think people are actually not going to research thier phones to see what phone they want. If SE doesn't provide a phone with good quality and effort I will just go for another phone brand with higher quality and specification. I want people to compare between w902 and c902 - no difference except for walkman mode. How are they trying to laugh at there selfs because no way I'm going to buy a phone with a mono speaker and same spec as c902 and no wifi .
By all means research specifications, choose the phone you want and buy it. You have freedom to choose.
W902 and C902 are quite abit different actually, for instance W902 has Play/Stop, FF >> and RR 's Clear Audio firmware.
Almost all
phones have mono speakers and almost all
music phones are advertised with music accessories such as A2DP spherical speakers, plugin external speaker boxes similar to iPod accessories, MMC-60/MMC-70 cables, FM transmitters, A2DP accessories which plug into home audio.
I also agree that
feature phones need wifi.
I have corrected your english to get your points across better, but I still have no idea what this means: " How are they trying to laugh at there selfs..."
I see many statements posted like the one above. Do some people buy of Ebay based on spec and reputation only? Have these people not heard of "Buyer beware"? Why buy on faith and then complain here?
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Posted: 2008-07-26 06:54:12
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On 2008-07-26 06:42:55, Brightspark wrote:
@carkitter
"SE profit warnings also come from SE press releases. SE are being truthfull about the situation, you are not. "
Doggman is right. one should go by the facts and figures and ignore the spin. they speak a lot louder than "sony ericsson is investing in the future" when their figures tell a different story (eg the fact that they are dismissing 2000 of their staff).
Dogmann provides no facts and figures. The facts and figures come from
themselves and do not contain spin. It's illegal to falsify financial information made public to the market. SE is remarkably honest and I for one respect that. You can decide what you like about statements like "Challenging marketing conditions" but the facts and figures come from SE and not Dogmann. Credit where it's due please.
SE stated that thier net profits were down because they were reinvesting back into the business particularly in the area of R&D. That was to show that they were responsible and planning for the future. This also negates the 'profits before customers' argument as it proves Sony and Ericsson would rather run a competitive successful company that sells what customers want, than just take the money and run. Another example of Credit where it's due.
Dismissing 2000 staff was mentioned in a different, later press statement, and may include the hundreds of UIQ staff also. I don't know for sure.
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Rejoicing in your arrogance does you no credit.
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Posted: 2008-07-26 07:05:32
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On 2008-07-25 22:26:31, DEAF wrote:
i have a w890i but the main problem on this device is lack of shack control ,led flash and most important the keypad on it is to tine for me I still use it as a back up . to me a phone must have top technology high loud speaker and a good useage ( camera,buttons ,fast port, software).what im seeing from sony ericsson is poor quality no effort on the product .SE just carries abouts it economy purpose not what there customer need . I've had it with the poor quality of sony ericsson its like they think people are actualy not going to do a research on thier phone see what phone they want .if SE doesnt provide a phone with good quality and effort im just will go for another phone brand with high quality and specification.iwant the people to compare between the w902 and c902 no differnce except for walkman mode how are they trying to laugh at there selfs because no way im going to replace a phone with a mono speaker and same specif as c902 and no wifi .
your useless rants about loud speakers are laughable to say the least. if you really want a loud speaker, get a huge one and carry it around the back of your head.
and as car kitter said, it seems as you didnt research the phone before buying which is your own fault
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