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lol of course it is and Britney is from america right? ...incase u missed it nearly every iphone user in this thread is in the UK
i doubt there is even one from the US
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Posted: 2009-02-05 01:09:20
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And that is why you cant really tell why the Iphone did as well as it did in the US, for the reasons that I tried to explain. Seriously, esato forum members do not represent the general mobile phone buying market, people here are enthusiasts, a lot of them buy a lot more then one phone every 18 months unlike the general user who just gets a phone whenever an upgrade is due.

The normal person using a phone has never heard of or used mobile phone forums, everything that they consider when making a purchase is done through advertising, which is why the Iphone has been such a success. Also, in its native market of America, it actually was the first phone with such features to be released and paid any attention - both Sony Ericsson and Nokia have sold practically nothing in America, so by your comparisons that sales = revolutionary, this means that nokia and SE can be considered the two most unrevolutionary phone manufacterers since they hardly sold anything in America.

The comparison against Britney Spears is a very good and truthful comparison about how marketing and hype pays off, but I dont expect the brainwashed Iphone fans to understand the point.

If apple sold grapes in the supermarket, they would probably be able to convince everyone that they are the most revolutionary grapes in the world.


[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-02-05 00:41 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-05 01:40:00
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If we ignore sales in the US, how well did the Iphone do? How well did it sell in Europe and Asia? Did it even gain anyones interest in Japan and Korea? I dont know these things, but I doubt anyone here considers sale performance of the Iphone while ignoring the USA, one of the worst countries in the world to even bother with comparing mobile phone sales.



In your opinion the Omnia is not very good. In a better opinion it is far better specified then the Iphone, and I am perfectly capable of using and adapting to the UI of any phone. I can browse the internet all day comfortably on my T700, and have been using mobile internet since the black and white GPRS wap days. I would surely believe that for most Iphone users in America, it is the first mobile device that they ever used to access the internet, hence the extra added emphasis to its fake revolutionary features.

[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-02-05 00:57 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-05 01:52:18
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you keep banging on about america and britney spears but the ppl in here arguing with you are in the UK and we have all used all your soo called super phones, i personally have used nearly every highend nokia, my current t-mobile contract is an N96, before that i had the LG viewty for 12months which someone in here laughably described as better than an iphone
we know all the alternatives on the market and are as u put it "enthusiasts",
and none of us would ever buy a phone becuase of a tv advert or marketing campaign, so your whole post is rendered irrelevant on here, unless u were hoping the unfortunate americans would read it


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Posted: 2009-02-05 01:52:40
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Because all of you keep on banging on about sales, and more sales = revolutionary. I dont think that the users on Esato make up for even less then 1% of the sales of the Iphone, so how exactly can the sale numbers of the phone be realistically discussed without looking at the why and where of how many numbers the phone sold outside of these forums?

I have never used a Nokia N96, but I would buy it if I could afford one over the Iphone anyday. To me, UI and screen are the least important functions of a handset over features, the phone can be the most pleasurable toy to play with in the world, but if it doesnt have the features I want, then I would still need to buy another phone or a seperate camera on top of having the awesome revolutionary toy phone.

If it has less then a minimum of 3.2 MP camera and QVGA 30 FPS video capture, then to me it must be a budget phone on todays market. There are better specified phones available in the Iphones price range, and to me, specification and features is what makes a phone good, not the UI and how nice it feels to use in the hand.

[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-02-05 01:08 ]
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Posted: 2009-02-05 02:06:18
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ok i never said that sales = revolutionary or even made any reference to sales , please quote me if i am mistaken

so basically your idea of a great phone is that it must have a great camera? fair enough, i rarely ever use my phone for serious pictures, its good enough for quick snaps my 5mp viewty(marketed as a revolutionary camera phone) wasnt that much superior, so i concede if you wish to take great pictures then the iphone is not for you, though outside of the dedicated SE camera phones i wouldnt trust most smartphone cameras for anything serious, i guess you are all falling victim to marketing hype and megapixel wars
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Posted: 2009-02-05 02:20:31
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I admit i hated the iPhone before but now i have one i jus love it
Is amazing, the Jailbreak and the App Store make a huge diference of what iPhone was before and what it is now.
It has everything i need excep a better camera but that s why i still have my K850i

I m not very good writing english so that s all i can say and i hope you understand me
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Posted: 2009-02-05 02:20:53
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Iphone´s big sale number has nothing to do with famous pop song artists but the fact that now more people are buying smartphones than before. They are considering smartphones because they got more powerful, cheaper and easier to use. That´s why the iphone is selling so much. Of course the changes that the iphone brought to the market exceed that (focus on touchscreen, new UI ideas, huge mobile software development and etc). If the other companies couldn´t make a smartphone this appealing, bad for them. No matter how u spin things, the iphone is not just marketing, it DID change things. Most of the phone´s marketing was done by journalists excited with the device, not apple´s own campaing. Just look at the phones being released now in the market, they all have something from the iphone. You may not like the device or think it doesn´t fit your ´needs´ but this whole ´it´s a dumbphone´ argument is just plain old and very inaccurate. Besides that, having ´long specs list´ is ALSO marketing. Adding more and more pixels to a camera is ALSO marketing. All just ways of persuading the customer into thinking the ´next´ model is better then the previous so you should buy the new one. You are TOTALLY influenced by other companies marketing, but u think only ´apple´s´ marketing is bad. Please, grow up.
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Posted: 2009-02-05 02:30:54
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Yes I was meaning to reply specifically to people who were saying that sales = revolutionary. Do not mistake me, I do not hate the Iphone, I am too poor to buy more then one high end phone every 18 months and a seperate camera, hence I simply want the best camera phone model on the market when I upgrade. Now, best is a inaccurate term, because I do not need an 8 mpix phone, 5 is more then fine and VGA recording. I dont take professional pictures and videos, just the occasional one at events or places that I want to remember. What has become important to me is mobile internet, but that doesnt mean that I want to downgrade to an Iphone and settle for a 2 MP camera. If I could afford to buy several high end phones like people on these forums, then I would try the Iphone, But at the same time I wouldnt go around defending it and calling it revolutionary.

I simply get the latest and best phone for every upgrade, and thats it. I just had to buy a sim free T700 because my K850 buggered up, and I really dont like the C905 enough to want it for 18 months, just like I wouldnt want the Iphone.

Right now I want to get a phone with 7.2 Mbps, Wifi, GPS, 5 Mpix camera and 30 FPS VGA recording. Samsung Omnia and Pixon dont have all the features. LG Renoir does, but for this one I hear that the UI is actually bad enough to get a Samsung instead. Instead of getting any of them and being stuck for 18 months, I am now considering waiting for an LG KM900 arena as it will be more up to date then the current models, and also nicer looking.

Sorry, but the Iphone doesnt meet my requirements, and I am sticking to T mobile for the best mobile broadband contract that has ever been available in the UK, and I have it for 50% off - 10 Gb per month, 900 minutes or 1800 texts, £28.75 a month.
I basically want a phone good enough to match my data tariff with a good camera as well, and I cannot get that on O2 with the Iphone.

But yes, the Iphone would make a nice toy if I could afford a second high end phone, but its always been the top handset every upgrade for me since the K700, and thats it.

And then I just get beyond annoyed with all the Iphone praise and some people calling it the best and most revolutionary phone ever. Sorry if I disagree, but I do. My tariff, and my phone is better and more revolutionary then anything else available in the UK, nah nah nah nah nah, I win, I have had 10 Gig monthly limit for £11.25, and super fast HSDPA internet, plus an uber camera thrown in too for longer then you Iphone users, oh, and my K800 and K850 were both free, nah nah nah nah nah.

I can win playgrounds fights too, oh, and I not only have the best data bundle for the best price available in the UK, nor have I just had awesome 3G and HSDPA, plus the best camera phones for free the last few years, but my dad can also beat up your dad!

Nah nah nah nah nah, my tariff, my phone, me and my dad > you lol.

/Jokes. Im just a cheapskate with a discounted tariff plus the best camera phones every 18 months, and cant ever leave it for the Iphone since my discount rules.
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Posted: 2009-02-05 02:56:22
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Bhavv,
it´s no suprise to me that you are a kid, i´ve kinda noticed before. But you need to mature a bit before you can have a real discussion with someone. Most people on this forum are mobile enthusiasts or people that need these devices for work or more serious tasks. Let´s not turn it into a kindergarden fight ´i have this´ ´my dad gave me that´ and so on.

Can someone lock this thread please?
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Posted: 2009-02-05 03:38:42
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