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Today i just convinced my college NOT to buy a Satio. So thats -400euro for the company. Tiny ammount, but multiply that by each one of us, and you will get colossal numbers.
And i will convince more people not to buy SE products as they are not worth it. I really dont know why SE had to ram its nose up every OS's ass.. Instead they could have used 2-3 and polish it to near perfection. Look at the iphone... 600MHz cpu and it is so fast and snappy. Look at the satio with 3d accelerator and all kind of fancy shit, and its a snail.
@10123
I really dont know where do you buy your phones, but i dont have the opportunity to "test drive"it untill i see all flaws.. And i think i am not alone. And those arent new features, those SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE the first time. And i aggre that after all those years of UIQ and stuff they cant come up with something better than this. Shame on them and theyr garbagemen employees.
Isnt it weird that all of our phones are shitty and yours is good? Are all ours faulty and yours good?
So again excuse us for having standars @ phones that in 2009 are advertised as FLAGSHIPS.
@Monaco
You are THE MAN, you are right in every possible way!

And after all the delays with Satio and redraws they still couldnt come up with something good. Bunch of idiots.
Its always the "faulty unit" claim, never that SE are idiots and incompetent morons and messed it up badly..
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Posted: 2010-06-24 11:45:35
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At this point, buying a Satio does not making any sense really. Now with the N8 coming out... It's better than the Satio in every aspect and the price will be similar to the actual price of the Satio.
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Posted: 2010-06-24 14:29:31
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N8 better in every aspects except one important point DESIGN which that bit ugly for me

Mine is running fine good responses and fluidity is nice for resistive unit and satisfied camera performance (RER no prob u need quite close range which sometime irritating me also), sometime freeze still in my acceptable.

But now since I know the Satio will not receive any update further more in the future, I have doubt about next handset especially supported software/firmeare for device.

Remember, for me each device properly have 4-5 updates some major and minor for bug fixing.
But the Satio had only 2 minor and no bug fix in generally which I really disappointed with this kind of supported.

I hope will re-considered about this sucks policy cuz I don't want Satio will be my last handset
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Posted: 2010-06-24 15:58:25
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Thumbs up to all of you guys, this is the truth and there is no debate.

FACT: Satio owners are dissatisfied and SE is doing nothing about it.

you know what is funny? If they sent out a public announcement apologizing and giving us a proper timeline and what improvements we could expect then follow through with it, that would've changed my mind with SE altogether. That is the funny thing about redemption, it always works..until it's WAY TOO LATE.
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Posted: 2010-06-24 16:56:56
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I lost my confidence in SE and theyr lousy FE updates back when i had the G900 and it overexposed the macro shots.. How idiot can you be to leave something like that? Sent alot of messages pointing out how i cant make a normal macro shot with LED as it gets all white. Sold my G900 to my cousin. Miss some cool software, but dont miss the phone. N8 is full metal, and its been a long time since i held the T610i. No more metal phones since then.. S^# isnt revolutionary, but its faster than V5. Has no divix eighter, but give me a good camera and i am sold.
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Posted: 2010-06-24 21:03:28
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You have no evidence other than a bunch of wingers on this forum. I've said it before and I'll say it again, those who are happy with their phones don't say anything - they are too busy enjoying it to go out bitching to all and sundry. The same bitch sessions happended with the SE K750, in hindsight one of SE's most successful handsets ever. Yet at the time there were firmware issue, with the last firmware working properly and no more to follow. But people moaned and groaned about hwo bad it was and how they were gonna leave SE forever blah blah blah.

I own both Satio and HD omnia. TBH, the SE implementation of s60 interface is much better. Only the DivX support for the HD is really better in all other respects I much prefer the Satio.

The phone never crashes, works flawlessly in all respects, does what it's advertised to do without fail.


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Posted: 2010-07-07 06:30:01
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Well they really messed up the K750i in the end removing the megabass (was still there but not working as before). I started the war and some of the users claimed i have problems with hearing, problems with the headphones, etc. UNTIL SE ANNOUNCED NO MORE MEGABASS IN K SERIES. So after all the war i was right and they where wrong. Flashed my K750 to W800 to get back the megabass and a cooler player. I liked the k750 until the end, until they messed it up. BEST camera in the world and best pictures (back then) - THEN was i proud on SE.
Tell me what do you enjoy about your satio? the inability to simply change alphanumeric to qwerty with rotation? The lack of search in media and the joy of searching throug 400 artists by finger? Or the bad camera (software part) which takes ages to open and to apply an effect you wait 3-4 seconds. (lets not forget that a moment is a moment, there is only one shot when the moment comes) and the quality of the shots is bad. Did i mention the slow interface?.. for a fkin 600mhz cpu its a snail. Not to mention the 0 eyecandy. Pure crap s60v5 UI, nothing changed except media and 1 homescreen. At least samsung has some nice animations. And that divx is a win for me. Would like this phone if it would had divx at least.
Wasnt this suppose to be a flagship? because the price was the price of a flagship. Is this how flagships are treated? And the lack of kinetic scrolling and to search all media when changing alarm/ringone/contact ringote is simply insane (ALL THIS IN A TINY WINDOW). it would have been hard to input some kind of filter to right -__- ? not to mention the INABILITY TO CHANGE TRACK/VOLUME when phone is locked, and the zoom in media (zooms the picture yet image remains the same size, 1/3 1/4 of the screen) , not to mention when zoomed and turned to landscape/portrait it zooms out. MAN IS THAT ANNOYING! So tell me again how should i be happy? tell me a few good reasons because i have just told you quite alot of bad.

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Posted: 2010-07-07 07:32:25
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Admitedly they probably should have left it in there, but then again we don't know their intent in taking it out. I don't think it's as big a deal as you make out. Overall K750/W800 is a fantastic handset and SE can be proud of it.

You're focussed on the small things and missing the big picture. Your personal UI preferences don't dictate what qualifies a handset as a success or not. If most of the features are great then a few UI compromises can be lived with. To ask SE to design a handset that satisfies each persons UI preferences is to ask them to design a different handset for each of us!

I can accept that the Satio is not a phone for you. If it's that annoying to you, go find another phone that is more suitable. Otherwise just accept it's weaknesses along with it's strengths, which are many.



this is purely a personal preference and yes it would be nice but it's just 2 taps to change it. That's easy to live with.


I agree in principle that this would be useful, but in practice I found that finding the artist by scrolling is quick enough to be almost as quick as opening a search and typing in a name. when you hold your finger at the top or bottom the list scrolls through pretty quickly - just watch the first couple of letters of the artist name and stop when you get close. Not hard and doesn't take long.

...wtf?? That's just absurd. The Satio takes better pictures than any cameraphone I've seen or compared photos with.

Regarding speed, the Satio is faster than both the C905 (8s) and the Samsung i8910 (8s) at taking a photo from camera locked to photo taken, 6 seconds. My $500 Panasonic compact isn't much faster than that. Also, the Satio speed of focus is light years ahead of the i8910, which is interminally slow and painful. I bought i8910 before Satio then realised I'd made a mistake when I tried taking some happy snaps with the family and the samsung couldn't focus quickly enough to capture any decent action. Not to mention the piss-weak led flash - a Xenon flash makes a huge difference in the quality of night and low light shots. Sorry, but the Satio is really the best digital camera available in a mobile handset atm.


It's a symbian, so yes it's slow! The Samsung animations on i8910 actually contribute to making the handset slower than the SE UI enhancements on the Satio. Instead SE UI gives you a highly practical and configurable homescreen, strong on utalitarianism and short on unnecessary embelishments. This is what I like about SE, and it's a trait inherited mostly from Ericsson. SE Flagship phones have always been conservative but elegant in styling and functional in UI design. Satio is no different.

The slowness of s60 is a minor annoyance and then only at certain times. In general use the Satio is quick enough.

DivX player for s60 3rd edition plus virtualkeyboard will get you by with avi divx's until a version is available for 5th edition. It's how I watch Divx on my Satio. Divx encapsulated in an MP4 containers will work fine on Satio in the built in player. Divx in AVI containers is not broadly supported yet, Samsung are out in front with the i8910.

it's a flagship. It has all the good gear. So there are some things you wish were more suited to your personal preference, this doesn't disqualify the phone as a flagship model.

Another reason I disliked the i8910. And you CAN'T TURN IT OFF!! I don't like kinetic scrolling at all. I'm glad Satio doesn't have it.

All these are valid points, but again, a few small compromises overall when you look at what's great about the Satio. btw, zooming in media only takes up about 2/3rds of the screen in landscape mode which is the best orientation for viewing photos in anycase. Regarding changing volume when locked, this is something I miss compared to the C905, however it's a small price to pay. Dedicated music players "hold" buttons also lock volume so SE aren't breaking any ergonomic rules by doing so also.

Why Satio is great:
* Camera. Despite your claims, Satio has a good camera, the best yet from the SE stable. In my view the best mobile based camera available. 12MP camera, a strong accurate flash system, active shutter for quick access (no fumbling with keylocks) and lens protection, fast and accurate focus. It has a full range of functions, with the only shortcoming (compared to i8910 for example) being lack of ISO control. Not a critical issue on a cameraphone.
* Small and Light
* Sensible layout with identical camera controls to previous models
* Elegant design without being ostentatious
* Highly configurable and efficient homescreen layout compared to Nokia and Samsung
* Flexible onscreen keyboard. Handwriting recognition, mini keyboard for portrait mode, full screen keyboard for faster typing when needed.
* Good web browser with flash support and multiple windows, though Opera Mobile is better for general browsing when you don't mind the image compression and don't need flash support.

Aside from the above, there are many other cool UI features of the Satio that make it a a flexible efficient handset to use. Yes there are also other negatives, but over all the Satio is a great handset.


Not really all that much bad, though if it kills Satio for you I can't argue with you about it. However I don't think any of the issues you raise are worthy of the level of anger you seem to be exhibiting towards SE. Over all I think they've done an excellent job with the Satio, and like the C905 was an improvement to the K800, and the K800 to the K750, and the K750 to the K700 before it, the Satio continues the tradition of SE's commitment to continually pushing the definition of a camera phone beyond other handsets on the market.

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Posted: 2010-07-11 12:27:09
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I personnaly dont see a point in arguing about what SE could or couldnt do, what they could or couldnt give above what came on release . The basic fact is this WAS a flagship phone and should be given support, like other phones , end of story.
If SE plan to sell a handset and then walk away, going a different route to other manufacturers , then its simple, lets move to someone else. I know I will.
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Posted: 2010-07-11 12:39:30
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What they did do, central to the whole argument, is design an excellent phone. The latest firmware is stable and does all the things that the handset was claimed to do when you bought it. If you don't like it buy another phone, otherwise suck it up and enjoy the Satio for what it is: a typical SE handset with good ergonomics, elegant design and a raft of high end features.

You don't buy a phone based on what future firmware updates may or may not provide. You buy it for what it can do at the time of purchase. Firmware upgrades are designed to manage bugs that become evident in the early life of the handset, not to keep updating the phone's feature's ad infinitum.
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Posted: 2010-07-11 12:48:33
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