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I believe the police thought they were doing the right thing. But if they thought he was a bomber why wasn't he stopped at getting on a bus to Stockwell?
Surely there were peoples lives at risk on the bus if they thought he was a bomber?
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Posted: 2005-07-25 12:50:44
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@ARTY. May be the alarms bells started ringing only when he was challenged.
He might have only been slightly under suspicion, coming from a house that was under surveillance, but the fact that he ran when challenged must have alarmed people.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 12:56:22
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On 2005-07-25 12:33:00, goldenface wrote:
And another thing, how do you know he was static at the time? You weren't there.
All the witnesses quoted on the BBC and CNN say he was being held down.
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The police said he was challenged at a ticket booth but you refuse to believe because of lack of evidence. But on the other hand you want to believe the victim was static?
Is that something else the police said?
If I had a choice between believing several unconnected independent witnesses (who have nothing to gain or lose) and a Service that has already lied to us about the event (...the shooting was "directly linked" to the ongoing bombs investigation..), I know who I'd be more inclined to believe.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 13:10:21
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@AbsinthBri
He may have been static but his arms may still have been free to 'detonate something' under his coat. Again they were taking no chances.
Why on earth would it not be linked to the current bombing investigation if he came from a house that was already under surveillance?
I really don't understand what you have against the police force.
From your standpoint anyone would believe we had more to reason to fear the police than the suicide bombers!!!
I for one refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that our Security Services are not acting with our best interests at heart.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 13:17:39
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I feel the police were in an untenable situation, they couldn't take the chance with this person. If they could, I feel they could have stopped him before he got on the train perhaps - but if he had quite a head start how could they have stopped him?
It's a tricky situation, one where we now have hindsight to say that it may or may not have been the wrong decision, but if you were a police officer chasing this man, after there had already been explosions and attempted attacks that day, where the bombers may try again to detonate a device or there may be more of them, how can you take the chance? Plus, self-preservation would have come into it for the police, who were also acting for public safety, either not kill the man and take the chance he hasn't got a bomb or is innocent, or kill him and risk killing that innocent.
What would have happened if they simply threw him to the ground and then he detonated a bomb? We'd all then be asking why the police didn't shoot the man.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 13:21:37
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@Sammy_Boy
My sentiments exactly.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 13:23:51
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i can't understand why 5 shots to the head. After 2 he probably didn't have many brain cells left.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 13:27:20
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On 2005-07-25 13:17:39, goldenface wrote:
@AbsinthBri
He may have been static but his arms may still have been free to 'detonate something' under his coat. Again they were taking no chances.
You're speculating.
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Why on earth would it not be linked to the current bombing investigation if he came from a house that was already under surveillance?
I'm only quoting the police as reported on the BBC. First they said he was directly connected and now they're saying ...
"Scotland Yard said Mr Menezes, who lived in Brixton, south London, was completely unconnected to the bomb attacks and added: "For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
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I really don't understand what you have against the police force.
I really don't know why you're blindly supporting assassins.
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From your standpoint anyone would believe we had more to reason to fear the police than the suicide bombers!!!
One would hope that one wouldn't have to fear the police at all.
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I for one refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that our Security Services are not acting with our best interests at heart.
Would that be the same security services that said Saddam had WMD? Or is it another security service you're thnking of?
I'm not saying that the police and security services are not acting in good faith and with out interests at heart... I am saying that it's wrong to hold someone down and shoot him in the head five times whatever the circumstances.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 13:28:15
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On 2005-07-25 13:27:20, peeta wrote:
i can't understand why 5 shots to the head. After 2 he probably didn't have many brain cells left.
Precisely. Five shots is outrageous.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 13:37:38
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On 2005-07-25 13:21:37, Sammy_boy wrote:
What would have happened if they simply threw him to the ground and then he detonated a bomb? We'd all then be asking why the police didn't shoot the man.
How could he detenate it if he was restrained he coulnt press a button could he and if it was on a timer shooting him woulnt have done any good would it.
I agree with the police steppin up their game to fight terrorism but this is a disgrace. i mean the man was restrained and then u shoot him 5 times in the head why?Now i know that many of u think that the shoot to kill is a good idea but its not imagine that being u being on the floor helpless knowing u are innocent and being killed like that.
How can you have have shoot to kill?I watched a programme on the police which was on about half a year ago which showed that some police officers in the metroplitan were racist. Which means that extreme racists which are around in the police force may kill innocent people purely because of their race, this means that other minorities will feel unsafe, this means that we are letting the terrorists take control as they have made us live in terror. Their has to be other ways of combatting against terror which leads to 0 innocent cassulties for example paraliyzing thought to be terrorists using stun guns ot darts which will keep them down for up to an hour.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 13:42:00
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