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AFAIK low-end doesn't proide too much funding for R&D as these devices are designed to be as cheap as possible, they can't sell them if they don't lower thier prices to hell down...
I read somewhere that High-end & mid-end devices can support low-end devices, the low-end devices maybe used only to increase the market share

so they design a mid-end phone, then they cut some features and package it in another design and that's it cost as less as they can

something similar with Daihatsu wich Toyota had 51% of it's shares, in order to cut cost ( as Daihatsu is known for low cost cars ) Daihatsu uses parts from Toyota, they don't design thier own parts to cut cost ( cost of design and marketig and shipping all gone by using Toyota parts ), even there's some car design that is completly like Toyota cars, in china there's a Daihatsu car that looks like Toyota Camry !!
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Posted: 2008-04-23 19:37:49
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Absolutely correct. I can't believe so many of you are so disappointed in a month that we've been shown the existance of phones like Paris and Beibei. These are good phones. So what if SE have taken a month off from announcing a high-end phone or two. SE aren't big enough to announce one every month. They don't have the resources. They're trying to build enough of a portfolio so they can afford to produce hihg end handsets more regularly. From what I can read into PK's (someitimes cryptic) clues over what's coming, we've got a lot more to look forward to this year than we did last year. For my money, that's improvement. I'm not complaining about SE but about you guys who're slating them.
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Posted: 2008-04-23 19:46:47
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See that the problem...
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Posted: 2008-04-23 20:18:28
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the amount of revenue needed to generate from low end devices, is probably proportional to the revenue generated by highend.

its not lack of funding in R&D ... its lack of VISION specifically looking to last year to find out and see what ppl want this year, its convoluted in its inception and has SE playing catch up CONSTANTLY. its a lack of motivation to create 1 PHONE that IS what SE represents, one device that is to be the face plate of the corporation. Here this is what we can do, this is what we want. this is what you asked for, oh yea its waaaayyy better than that.

examples:

Ferrari Enzo
Nissan GT-R

pinnacles of research and engineering, all the tech behind these cars (more so with the enzo as of today) has made its way down to the lesser offerings in ferraris stable, the gt-r no doubt will have aspects of its evgineering reside in the lesser models from nissan (infiniti as well). thats all im saying.

everyone here thinks that it takes massive amounts of money to do R&D and it very well may (i dont have a financial statement from SE ... mizzle/m1, the Q1 came out yesterday do you have a copy of that?), however if they focus on something outlandish they can use what they learn in the phones that are to come in segments below.

i have NO idea why there isnt a tier above the W and K that incorporates both, i know they think it will canabalize their sales but no one likes having to CONTINUOSLY make comprimises when a platform like this should clearly exist. there is a demand and it should be addressed, there are concerned parties who take note, those that will be recieving these low end models wont find out about them till next year, and will probably get them on contract for their children who only care about what color the case is and if they can txt msg.

they need stop riding the coattails of sonys brands and create their own (xperia is a start but, it would have been nice to start the brand with a phone by SE). how hard is it to make an entertainment phone out of the parts from a w960 and k850, how hard is it to make a business phone that isnt an awkward slow brick?

like i said if they would use a line of processors that they could continue using for 2 years ... instead of trying to run the same platform and OS with a new fancy shell, and incremental rom upgrades wed have a compentent phone by now. but they keep throwing out these incremental updates ...

the phone that mizzle and m-1 were showing us the last few weeks seems nice, cant say anything about it till we get a whitesheet ...

itd be nice to have a 1.8" 64GB SSD in a phone next year ... but that would be too expensive!

Thats how sony should fight the ipod ... it has the means, just missing the ambition.
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Posted: 2008-04-23 20:54:40
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How about this:
SE's X1 outsourced to HTC.
Why not outsource a high end device to Nokia? Then SE can play with the low/mid range phones to their hearts content.
It's been two years now and no new devices announced that have a significant improvement over the 1st generation UIQ3 devices. I wouldn't be surprised if the G700/900 have some residual bugs from the P990.
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Posted: 2008-04-24 00:59:23
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^^ Not a bad idea ! ( LOL, this is getting kind of sad :-) )

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Posted: 2008-04-24 01:34:07
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I dunno...

I think many of you just need to quit your bitchin. If you don't like what SE's doing, you're more than welcome to go to another manufacturer.

They have their strategy and they're gonna follow it. Business is business. If you like a company, you stick with them. If not, you go somewhere else. That is what a free market is all about. So, if you don't like it, just go somewhere else. This is a forum to discuss the features of SE products not a forum to ridicule SE's business tactics, whine and complain about your disappointments.

As the saying goes, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Keep it to a minimum. At least if you want to voice your dislike or disappointment for a PRODUCT, wait until there is official information before drawing conclusions. All this bitching is making my head spin.
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Posted: 2008-04-24 01:56:19
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Well said. Although I'm not a fan of Sony Ericsson's business tactic [focusing on mid to low enders], it's actually the smartest way. Most of the forumers here, if not all, only are impressed with high end phones and high speced phones. For christ sake, that's not the majority of the market and one will never be able to make money if you are focusing on such a small marketshare. Most people, whether that's Asians, Europeans, or North Americans, just want a decent phone with a few added features like music player and camera. So far, all of Sony Ericsson's phone has not only met these guidelines, but have exceeded them: gallery, future TV out, etc.

That being said, Sony Ericsson is still making a few higher speced phones, namely Paris, X1, and I'm pretty sure PeterKay, Mizzle, and/or M-One would be able to confirm that there are more phones to come.
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Posted: 2008-04-24 02:07:49
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And when it comes to the super-high-end phones we all love, we're actually in the relative minority when compared to all consumers. As said, most people just want a good phone that works well and calls people. I don't have any numbers to back my argument up, but my guess is for all of SE's customers, 75% purchase low-mid end phones and 25% buy mid-high end phones, and of that 25%, maybe only 25% buy ultra-high end handsets such as Paris. Again, just a guess.

As one of those people who buys ultra-high-end handsets, of course I would like SE to make more. Heck, I'd like them all to be ultra-high. But that is unreasonable, especially given that SE is not, financially, Nokia or even Samsung. In order to build to that point, they need to make profit--lots of profit--and the way to do that is build the low-mid segment augmented with a few high-enders, which is exactly what they're doing. People claim they wish SE ignored things like "market share," but the truth is if they actually did that, as a company, they'd be dead within a year. Companies like SE live or die by market share.

Also, it seems this latest rash of disappointment in SE's high-end portfolio sprung from the latest announcement. To that I say: What were you expecting? We've known for at least a week which two phones would be presented and we knew their specifications. It's not like we were blindsided, expecting Paris to be announced and instead handed the G502.

Part and parcel with that, we've known for several weeks now exactly when Paris and BeiBei and possibly even Shiho and another phone will be announced--May. And guess what? ALL of those are the high-to-ultra-high we've been waiting for! I think it's incredibly unfair to be ridiculing SE's high-end portfolio when we know exactly when high-end devices will be presented. Now, after that announcement...THEN everyone can complain about the high-end portfolio (which I'm sure some of you will).
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Posted: 2008-04-24 02:25:12
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it is not my intent to write a long response here, but to the posters above me, after my last post.

it has nothing to do with an announcement (or lack there of), it has nothing to do with brand loyalty or switching brands. it has nothing to do with market share, it has nothing to do with profit margins ...

like i said and will continue to say its about a lack of foresight, no one who is in their current for of R&D is looking ahead. they are all looking at the current competition, instead of what MAY come.

what put SE ahead and why ive stuck with them is the fact that they were innovators! not relying on this philosophy of bottom heavy lineups.

i dont care about low end phones, i dont. but that doesnt mean i dont want them to make those phones. what it does mean is that id like them to put more thought into less phones at the top end, and actually MAKE a HIGH end phone.

i feel the last one was the P990 ... and its been a few years. its the lack of dedication to push ahead, instead of merely trying to keep up.
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Posted: 2008-04-24 02:39:06
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