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I think until SE produce a phone that will do the laundry,do the dishes,walk the dog,and take junior to school, these guys would not relent in whining and bitching.
I think its time someone create a website solely for SE bitching.....so we can concentrate more on the more important things here.....
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Posted: 2008-04-24 02:40:35
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On 2008-04-24 01:56:19, moogoo wrote:
If you don't like what SE's doing, you're more than welcome to go to another manufacturer.
They have their strategy and they're gonna follow it. Business is business. If you like a company, you stick with them. If not, you go somewhere else.
I will do so when and if I choose, obviously.
That is what a free market is all about. So, if you don't like it, just go somewhere else.
That's what free speech is about, if you don't like it don't read it,skip it.
This is a forum to discuss the features of SE products not a forum to ridicule SE's business tactics, whine and complain about your disappointments.
Oh my, so sensitive! The best way to avoid that would be to come up with good devices that deliver what is promised.
As the saying goes, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Keep it to a minimum. At least if you want to voice your dislike or disappointment for a PRODUCT, wait until there is official information before drawing conclusions. All this bitching is making my head spin.
It's up to me to say whatever I choose to say, I didn't know having to say "something nice" was a requirement.
Sorry to have upset you but it looks like I may be doing you a favor after all. Having used mostly S/E phones since 1993 and all the Pxxx series (except P910) I have paid enough to SE to earn the right to voice my opinion.
Just like everyone else, I've been waiting for something good from SE to make up for their P990 blunder but two years have passed and they just reheat and serve the same old dish. Just remember that as long as there are enough suckers around to blindly buy any device in whichever condition SE makes, than there will not be any reason for SE to get its act together and start giving us the cutting edge devices we so loved back in the P900 era.
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Posted: 2008-04-24 02:57:52
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The recent news of SE making teh Z780 is a NEW twist! I don't recall SE EVER announcing a phone model (z770i) that has great specs yet limited worldwide reach and only slightly adjusting the facia and adding the SAME specs with more bands for FULL worldwide reach?!!!
THIS is what SE needs to do ... and I'm glad & proud of the designers outdoing themselves with these new Flip phone designs. SE flips have always had a lackluster Love - Hate (more the latter) amongst users around the world. The Z750i most likely had too many issues and looked too much like the z600i (ok there is the other comparison to my 1st paragraph above; however 1 is 1.5yrs already on the market, not BOTH jsut announced). I loved ALL
flips EXCEPT the bulky & ugly z650i and its :walkman: variant.
I think this z780 is a more important launch than we all realize. We have 1 phone to FULLY compete with teh RAZR2 which many ppl are already getting tired of, a lot sooner than the first RAZR. I'm hoping providers around the world pick this up; and for the Europeans the Z770i is cheaper.
IF SE continues on this role (along with w910i MGM music version with exclusive content; and should also with the W760i imo), then they'll have more money for R&D and production of new platforms. They'll need to push advertisement as well ... MUCH more than they have before with these new phones.
K850i (still got some decent life)
w890i
w980i (music FLIP with 8GB COMMON PUSH THAT till the FULL MOON
) I wanna see an intelligent, memorable, yet sexy (or with sex appeal) on a commercial for this one!
W760i (advertise the Tracker and AGPS and GeoTagging on this one BIGTIME! Show a runner that wakes up to an Alarm playing a SICK tune. She/He gets ready. Grabs the w760i, checks daily appointments with family, groceries etc, and starts GoogleMaps/WayFinder looks for a route. Launches Tracker. Goes for a sprint run, or moutain biking with music playing. Ends and checks his route, Kj burned, BEST time of the track, etc, then an incoming phone call comes in showing multitasking seemlessness!)
BeiBei for business users.
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Posted: 2008-04-24 03:29:39
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On 2008-04-24 02:39:06, my ninja wrote:
it is not my intent to write a long response here, but to the posters above me, after my last post.
it has nothing to do with an announcement (or lack there of), it has nothing to do with brand loyalty or switching brands. it has nothing to do with market share, it has nothing to do with profit margins ...
The statements you have made have
EVERYTHING to do with business.
On 2008-04-24 02:39:06, my ninja wrote:
like i said and will continue to say its about a lack of foresight, no one who is in their current for of R&D is looking ahead. they are all looking at the current competition, instead of what MAY come.
what put SE ahead and why ive stuck with them is the fact that they were innovators! not relying on this philosophy of bottom heavy lineups.
i dont care about low end phones, i dont. but that doesnt mean i dont want them to make those phones. what it does mean is that id like them to put more thought into less phones at the top end, and actually MAKE a HIGH end phone.
If you look at many of the competitors, you can see that their portfolio is full of lower-end phones. Just recently, Nokia has announced Xpress Music phones that are catered for the low-mid end spectrum. Motorola [in which I don't like] has been constantly pumping low-end phones in their portfolio. LG and Samsung take a more unique approach, where they have sterred further away, but they too have been making phones for the lowend market for a while now. Sony Ericsson, on the other hand, missed this market before and is only now realizing that this is a big market and should not be ignored.
Yes, I agree that Sony Ericsson should be making more higher end phones of the spectrum, and I am waiting for one. But that doesn't mean they have no insight. In fact, people who don't understand the basics of economics and business approaches are the ones that will jump off the bridge when their business dies.
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Posted: 2008-04-24 03:32:10
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On 2008-04-24 03:32:10, clauf wrote:
On 2008-04-24 02:39:06, my ninja wrote:
it is not my intent to write a long response here, but to the posters above me, after my last post.
it has nothing to do with an announcement (or lack there of), it has nothing to do with brand loyalty or switching brands. it has nothing to do with market share, it has nothing to do with profit margins ...
The statements you have made have
EVERYTHING to do with business.
On 2008-04-24 02:39:06, my ninja wrote:
like i said and will continue to say its about a lack of foresight, no one who is in their current for of R&D is looking ahead. they are all looking at the current competition, instead of what MAY come.
what put SE ahead and why ive stuck with them is the fact that they were innovators! not relying on this philosophy of bottom heavy lineups.
i dont care about low end phones, i dont. but that doesnt mean i dont want them to make those phones. what it does mean is that id like them to put more thought into less phones at the top end, and actually MAKE a HIGH end phone.
If you look at many of the competitors, you can see that their portfolio is full of lower-end phones. Just recently, Nokia has announced Xpress Music phones that are catered for the low-mid end spectrum. Motorola [in which I don't like] has been constantly pumping low-end phones in their portfolio. LG and Samsung take a more unique approach, where they have sterred further away, but they too have been making phones for the lowend market for a while now. Sony Ericsson, on the other hand, missed this market before and is only now realizing that this is a big market and should not be ignored.
Yes, I agree that Sony Ericsson should be making more higher end phones of the spectrum, and I am waiting for one. But that doesn't mean they have no insight. In fact, people who don't understand the basics of economics and business approaches are the ones that will jump off the bridge when their business dies.
i have a bs in economics ... fwiw
now onto your other statements, im not certain your first language is english so something may have been lost in the translation, so ill not nitpick. but SE was revered for their disregard for what the commonplace phone/business phone was. they PIONEERED the multimedia touchscreen phone in an aesthetically pleasing and functional way. now we have an over abundance and portfolio clogging lowend philosophy.
how many have suffered since this new focus from shoddy workmanship and build quality? how many have had problems with "flagship" phones not operating competently when they are released? then tell me how selling poorly produced products is good for business. its this leaking, this redundancy this lack of ambition within R&D (or maybe even corporate doesnt see this segment as deserving of a new highend faceplate because of the poor sales of its last 2 flagship phones (P990/P1i) poor sales of shitty products and a company will shy away from producing them, almost cyclical(poor product > poor sales > reflected by the company putting forth less effort to produce said headsets > less sales of subsequent offerings))
i think this company had a great direction when it came out merging the best with the best, but unlike BOTH of its parent companies it is reliant on lowend sales and market penetration/saturation/share, they should also remember that brand retention is a huge part of growth, the ppl that buy a $600 are your best advertisement. somehow they think that you can bypass that.
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Posted: 2008-04-24 04:03:51
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@clauf I don't think that Motorola was the brightest example :-) ! + I think that nobody here has a problem with SE releasing low-end devices per se. Problem is in the fact that we all used to be EXCITED with SE phones, doesn't matter if it was because of the design, or the "features", or the whole package ... Another problem is that for the last year and a half, SE is constantly acting "CHEAP" and putting out devices that are crippled without ANY reason whatsoever ! It wouldn't cost them much to put AF or LED on W910, it would cost them nothing to put advanced FIND in P1. Camera cover on X1 ? Naah... These things have nothing to do with R&D or cutting costs, they are simply decisions that reflect that "let's sell them last years cr..p, and buy ourselves some new Bentley's !" attitude that looks like it down from SONY :-) On the other hand, I would probably stop whining if only they didn't ditch the JogDial from P5 :-(
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Posted: 2008-04-24 04:15:40
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i have a bs in economics ... fwiw
With a degree in economics [I'm not sure what exactly bs is/maybe that is because we use different terms in different countries], you should realize that it is important for a company to focus on all ends of the market, which is exactly Sony Ericsson's tactic here.
When one Sony Ericsson representative says, "we will focus on the low-end market," everyone on this forum starts complaining and whining. Does that mean Sony Ericsson will only release low-end phones, no! Of course not! For christ sake, we are only in the fourth month of 2008. There is still eight months of the year for Sony Ericsson to release higher end phones.
how many have suffered since this new focus from shoddy workmanship and build quality? how many have had problems with "flagship" phones not operating competently when they are released? then tell me how selling poorly produced products is good for business. its this leaking, this redundancy this lack of ambition within R&D (or maybe even corporate doesnt see this segment as deserving of a new highend faceplate because of the poor sales of its last 2 flagship phones (P990/P1i) poor sales of shitty products and a company will shy away from producing them, almost cyclical(poor product > poor sales > reflected by the company putting forth less effort to produce said headsets > less sales of subsequent offerings))
Firstly, no one literally suffers if a company decides to change their business tactic. It is the consumer's choice whether to purchase the product. With regards to built-quality, I do agree that Sony Ericsson has had a few problems recently with their phones, especially with the W580.
In terms of software problems, like Mizzle said in his blog, Sony Ericsson will be releasing new features in their phones via updates [i.e. tv out].
i think this company had a great direction when it came out merging the best with the best, but unlike BOTH of its parent companies it is reliant on lowend sales and market penetration/saturation/share, they should also remember that brand retention is a huge part of growth, the ppl that buy a $600 are your best advertisement. somehow they think that you can bypass that.
As I said earlier, and I'll say it one more time, I do agree that Sony Ericsson should release a few high end phones for a better market penetration and I'm sure you agree with this too. This is what Nokia have been doing for a long time, which is why they are sucessful.
now onto your other statements, im not certain your first language is english so something may have been lost in the translation, so ill not nitpick. [u]but SE was revered for their disregard for what the commonplace phone/business phone was.[/u] they PIONEERED the multimedia touchscreen phone in an aesthetically pleasing and functional way. now we have an over abundance and portfolio clogging lowend philosophy.
Correct, English is not my first language, but I'm not using a translator. Before you start commenting on other's English, I think you should begin doing some house cleaning on your part. ill = to be sick. Correction: I will. Also, the bolded statement above is a poor/unusual combination of verbs.
For the last sentence: let me pose this question to you, from the summer of last year, how many phones have Sony Ericsson released are low-end [including mid-low]? Go ahead and compare this to Nokia.
What you have been doing is simply making assumptions.
On 2008-04-24 04:15:40, theos wrote:
@clauf I don't think that Motorola was the brightest example
! + I think that nobody here has a problem with SE releasing low-end devices per se. Problem is in the fact that we all used to be EXCITED with SE phones, doesn't matter if it was because of the design, or the "features", or the whole package ... Another problem is that for the last year and a half, SE is constantly acting "CHEAP" and putting out devices that are crippled without ANY reason whatsoever ! It wouldn't cost them much to put AF or LED on W910, it would cost them nothing to put advanced FIND in P1. Camera cover on X1 ? Naah... These things have nothing to do with R&D or cutting costs, they are simply decisions that reflect that "let's sell them last years cr..p, and buy ourselves some new Bentley's !" attitude that looks like it down from SONY
On the other hand, I would probably stop whining if only they didn't ditch the JogDial from P5
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I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall now. I do want Sony Ericsson to release some exciting phone. But everyone just whines and complains -it's disgusting. There's this negativity and pessimism among many of the members of Esato now. I haven't been a long member, but I have noticed a huge change in this forum than before. At least Sony Ericsson has not been reusing designs unlike Nokia.
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Posted: 2008-04-24 05:38:18
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korbindallis Posts: > 500
when is
going to give us a non touch screen UIQ phone or hopefully a cyber shot phone with nontouch screen uiq
hurry it up sony ericsson
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Posted: 2008-04-24 05:50:25
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On 2008-04-24 04:15:40, theos wrote:
@clauf I don't think that Motorola was the brightest example
! + I think that nobody here has a problem with SE releasing low-end devices per se. Problem is in the fact that we all used to be EXCITED with SE phones, doesn't matter if it was because of the design, or the "features", or the whole package ... Another problem is that for the last year and a half, SE is constantly acting "CHEAP" and putting out devices that are crippled without ANY reason whatsoever ! It wouldn't cost them much to put AF or LED on W910, it would cost them nothing to put advanced FIND in P1. Camera cover on X1 ? Naah... These things have nothing to do with R&D or cutting costs, they are simply decisions that reflect that "let's sell them last years cr..p, and buy ourselves some new Bentley's !" attitude that looks like it down from SONY
On the other hand, I would probably stop whining if only they didn't ditch the JogDial from P5
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SE called it DIVERSITY
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Posted: 2008-04-24 06:45:00
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wow, lots of
rumours floating about here lately
*sarcasm*
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