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Proper ecosystem as in a large variety of Apps, Games, Accessories, Dev community etc... I guess. So the 808 has somewhat of an ecosystem but not a proper one comparable to even WP.
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Posted: 2013-12-20 19:18:06
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^ I see...
Anyway, here we go
http://allaboutwindowsphone.c[....]oring_the_imaging_improvem.php
I would say that this is a pretty significant improvement.. still not as clean as the 808, but its close enough to where it doesn't really matter. I would love to see what mlife and fbloise have to say on the matter since they have both devices on hand, but as far as I can see.. noise levels are down and color reproduction is much closer to the Symbian way, which is a very good thing.
And of course with RAW you can do whatever you want..
I would have to admit that the 1020 is becoming a pretty powerful camera..
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Posted: 2013-12-21 10:24:37
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Sorry, I havent' shot with it yet really, it was quite cloudy/overcast yesterday so didn't take any outdoor photos. I'll be out and about today and will post later
[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2013-12-21 13:40 ]
****Update**** decided to add an indoor shot for now, let me know what you think
[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2013-12-21 15:18 ]
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Posted: 2013-12-21 14:38:57
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^ I think you will notice the biggest improvement outside during landscapes where fine detail is important and before the update all the noise/grain kind of took away from it.
It looks less noisier for sure.. still not sure if its at the expense of some sharpness, but I will take it.. its always easier to add sharpness than remove noise.
Would esato leto you upload DNG/RAW files ?
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-12-21 17:00 ]
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Posted: 2013-12-21 17:59:54
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On 2013-12-21 17:59:54, cu015170 wrote:
^ I think you will notice the biggest improvement outside during landscapes where fine detail is important and before the update all the noise/grain kind of took away from it.
I can't wait to try that.... once the weather clears I will be posting some samples.
On 2013-12-21 17:59:54, cu015170 wrote:
It looks less noisier for sure.. still not sure if its at the expense of some sharpness, but I will take it.. its always easier to add sharpness than remove noise.
Yeah... but a step in the right direction for sure. Lets not also overlook the possibility of my error in shooting or focusing the shot... Once I get outdoors, I think we'll get a better idea.
On 2013-12-21 17:59:54, cu015170 wrote:
Would esato leto you upload DNG/RAW files ?
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-12-21 17:00 ]
No.... and btw, the DNG is about 50mb
[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2013-12-21 19:01 ]
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Posted: 2013-12-21 20:00:35
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Original or download the
DNG
Original or download the
DNG[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2013-12-22 15:33 ]
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Posted: 2013-12-21 22:08:54
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^ That quality is pretty impressive.
Black seems like a great update. Fixes grain, noise, extra sharpness, and colours is much better too. Before the Black update 1020 felt like a stereo with treble set too high, so it produced harsh, too sharp, grainy and noisy images. Now it looks like they fixed that.
I am interested in a detailed comparison with 808. Although from what mlife posted, 808 still seems be a better cameraphone.
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Posted: 2013-12-22 02:10:28
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^ At this point its insignificantly better... and with the addition of RAW you can pretty much make the 1020 photos look just as good if you try hard enough.
The only significant thing is the xenon.. I still think that the 808 would produce a better image at the bar
mlife thanks for the pics man, looking great..
And ya, I know that the raw files are rather large..i was just wondering.. what about flickr ? Or maybe you can upload some on skydrive and let us tweak them ?
Also, if you are developing from RAW I think you should downsize to .. 7-9Mpix instead of 5.. it will still maintain good IQ with a nice bump in resolution.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-12-22 01:57 ]
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Posted: 2013-12-22 02:54:19
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On 2013-12-22 02:54:19, cu015170 wrote:
^ At this point its insignificantly better... and with the addition of RAW you can pretty much make the 1020 photos look just as good if you try hard enough.
Actually, this may be the 1st time I disagree with you but I don't think you would have to try "hard" at all.... the images are worlds apart from the original processing on the 1020
On 2013-12-22 02:54:19, cu015170 wrote:
The only significant thing is the xenon.. I still think that the 808 would produce a better image at the bar
I seldom use the flash on my phone unless its to remote fire my other strobes via the SU4 function so this isn't that important to me... but for those who do use their phone in bars and clubs, I'm thinking the larger aperture and image stabilization would compensate for the slightly less potent xenon.
On 2013-12-22 02:54:19, cu015170 wrote:
mlife thanks for the pics man, looking great..
And ya, I know that the raw files are rather large..i was just wondering.. what about flickr ? Or maybe you can upload some on skydrive and let us tweak them ?
Signed up for a free BOX account... I have since edited the posts above, look for the "DNG" link below the "original" link.... let me know if that works....
On 2013-12-22 02:54:19, cu015170 wrote:
Also, if you are developing from RAW I think you should downsize to .. 7-9Mpix instead of 5.. it will still maintain good IQ with a nice bump in resolution.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-12-22 01:57 ]
the images above are the 5mp renderings straight from the 1020, no post has been done.... but I do agree, 8mp would be a better size choice.
[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2013-12-22 15:37 ]
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Posted: 2013-12-22 07:06:04
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On 2013-12-22 02:10:28, G3ORGE wrote:
^ That quality is pretty impressive.
Black seems like a great update. Fixes grain, noise, extra sharpness, and colours is much better too. Before the Black update 1020 felt like a stereo with treble set too high, so it produced harsh, too sharp, grainy and noisy images. Now it looks like they fixed that.
I am interested in a detailed comparison with 808. Although from what mlife posted, 808 still seems be a better cameraphone.
I do agree with 90% of what you say here.. I must wonder however if the difference in "default" processing is more important than the raw/DNG ability of the 1020. I for one (as an owner of both devices) no longer need to compare the results side by side. I fully understand and accept that with the 808 having a larger sensor, the default images will remain better under close scrutiny... but the value of a 50mb raw file is HUGE in my book.
[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2013-12-22 15:40 ]
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Posted: 2013-12-22 07:12:56
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