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Joe- I don't know what way it would be... In the old testament, huge kingdoms of massive wealth ruled the practically the whole world from the middle east- So at one point the equivalent of skyscrapers would have been where Iraq, Egypt etc are, and the undeveloped world, the west, would have been quite uncivilised and poor... So I don’t really think location is to blame that much for wealth - although if you are surrounded by poverty, it may be hard to keep your country rich... I think to more strictly adhered to a religion is, the less wealth there is because less importance is put on money - look at the Mormons in America, they are very strict religiously and while certainly not poor, they live very simply... When a country becomes more liberal, people are more consumer driven the therefore make and spend more money and put more of an importance on money, thus making the country richer. I think Islam stifles wealth, rather like communism does. And I'm not saying that is a bad thing, (lowering the importance of money that is, not communism
), because I think too much time and effort is spent pursuing wealth, and people aren't even happy when if they do achieve it.
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Posted: 2005-09-07 23:46:38
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On 2005-09-07 22:51:47, joebmc wrote:
Sorry one more question about the wealth.
If say the Muslim population was based mainly in the west and the Christian population in the Middle East when all these religions first came about do you think the Christians would be poorer and the Muslims richer? Would Afghanistan be full of skyscrapers and New York be full of shanty towns (not necessarily shanty towns but hope you know what I mean)?
Who can say? The Middle East has vast potential and many of the nations there could be very very rich so I think it could go either way. It really depends upon who gets the leg up on industrialisation and trade.
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Posted: 2005-09-07 23:47:36
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couldn't you argue that the protestant religion shaped america into the capitalist country is today.
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Posted: 2005-09-08 00:01:08
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scotsboyuk, when I said civilisation came from the middle east, I meant that the Garden of Eden was in the middle east, the very first humans
Also, most of the things you mention that the UK exports could be exports of Saudi Arabia as well, like machines etc... Food and farming account for an incredibly small amount of the U.K.'s wealth (in fact, it costs the UK with all the EU farming subsidies it pays- damn the French!!)
I still think Saudi Arabia has more natural resources than the U.K., and should be richer. I think that if the U.K. was a Muslim country it would not be as rich. (I’d like to hope it wouldn’t tax as much for a start
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Anyway, that’s all beside the point- you have convinced me to certain extent – I still think that Islam represses wealth to an extent, and I think Christianity lends itself more to dilution of the religion and thus liberalisation and the pursuit of wealth and power. Which I don’t believe is a good thing.
On a totally off-topic note- Well done Northern Ireland!!! I can’t believe we beat England!! I’m so used to supporting England in major competitions because N.I. doesn’t make it.. But I hope they both qualify for Germany, because I can’t see us going too far… (Maybe quarter finals or the semi’s )
Oh, and I can’t wait for the Ashes tomorrow! I think they are coming home!!
peeta- Do I sense a discussion on the Protestant and Catholic religion?
I don't know if its right to say that religion shaped America into what it has become... I doubt very much America is anything like what The Puritans had envisioned it would be. They came to America for peace and quiet and to get away from sinful England...IMHO although religion is a large part of life for Americans, all the motives and actions for wealth and power are not religious based... but you may have a point- you could argue that America is the most Christian county- and its the richest! (only joking Scots
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Posted: 2005-09-08 00:19:09
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Islam the Fastest growing religion in the World - More facts here
ISLAM is the fastest growing religion in the world. Because Islam is a complete way of life. It tells man about the purpose of his creation and existence, his ultimate destiny, his place among other creatures and more importantly, it provides him with guidance to lead a balanced and purposeful life which will enable him to avoid the Hell-fire and be rewarded with a place in Paradise in the life after death.
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Posted: 2005-09-08 00:25:56
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I believe you Pete, im not arguing that Islam is the fastest growing religion...
Did you get a look at my earlier post, and the questions I asked you? If you get a chance, I'd be very interested in your perspective... thanks.
(Also pete, do you think the rise in your religion has anything to do with the extencive news converage it has recieved, espically in the last 5 years?)
(And yet ANOTHER question! -a bit off-topic- Where do you believe the 9/11 hi-jackers are at the moment, heaven or hell)
thanks..
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Posted: 2005-09-08 00:38:34
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I can't be bothered to read long replies.
(so I dont know whats written)
@pleber, i dont know if you noticed but the words that you use are always negative and you associate them with Islam as if Islam promotes it.
If a country is not democratic, it does not have to do anything with Islam.
I just want you to read up on the religion before saying something.
Peter's been posting quite alot for you to read up on.
Now I may be thinking or looking to hard into this, in your points you repeat Peter_kays name repeatedly as if you only want him to reply to your questions.
Are you targetting him?
Also you used Japan as an example of a rich nation comparing it to religion.
Did I miss something, because last time I checked it wasn't a Christian country.
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Posted: 2005-09-08 00:50:54
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On 2005-09-08 00:38:34, pleber wrote:
I believe you Pete, im not arguing that Islam is the fastest growing religion...
Did you get a look at my earlier post, and the questions I asked you? If you get a chance, I'd be very interested in your perspective... thanks.
(Also pete, do you think the rise in your religion has anything to do with the extencive news converage it has recieved, espically in the last 5 years?)
(And yet ANOTHER question! -a bit off-topic- Where do you believe the 9/11 hi-jackers are at the moment, heaven or hell)
thanks..
@Pleber, i mentioned a few pages before that Islam is the fastest growing religion due to the media today - so as Amnesia stated, please read what was said before.
Regarding the 9/11 hijackers, if you believe the media i.e. CNN, BBC and SKY News then you will think that so called Muslims did the attacks which i still do not believe. BUT if they did do it, they will be in hell as the Quran mentions in Chapter 5 Verse 33 states:
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
So Islam does not allow any human to kill anyone and if they do then as i mentioned earlier - the day of reckoning is a MUST for all to answer to the Creator of Mankind. He has created us all for a reason and we will face questioning.
Verse 2 of Chapter 67 from the Glorious Quran states:
He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving.
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Posted: 2005-09-08 01:25:08
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On 2005-09-07 20:20:27, vanquish wrote:
hey this aint your thread mate, no need to tread on peoples toes. im getting mixed up with another religion. in fact im all mixed up lol.
tut tut - never said it was my thread, at least pleber knows what he's talking about. At last a christian who knows about his faith, been waiting for so long.
Don't you insult me or my religion, otherwise i'll make you wish you never had. I'm sorry my friend, but I can't be bothered in political or religious threads becuase no-one listens to what you say. I can never get a word in this thread so why bother? If you really want to know about christianity, its the religion that is about forgiveness. Not trying to 'get a place in heaven' by blowing yourself up or doing good deeds.
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Posted: 2005-09-08 11:27:41
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If you can't be bothered please stay away from this thread.
This thread is for people who are religious.
Thank You
Bye
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Posted: 2005-09-08 12:57:59
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