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At night, but with bright lighting (no flash)

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Really impressed with the Hazel. Only problem is the flash is worthless; I find I only get good pictures with it off.
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Posted: 2011-01-14 08:09:44
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agree, the yellowish flash ruins the picture very badly. The good thing is it can still be used as a flashlight, at least it's not completely worthless

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Posted: 2011-01-14 16:28:55
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Ok, now I got a sunny day to give it a shot with my problematic white balance. Obviously it seems a problem in the software - white balance is set way to cold. My settings were automatic, but it would get even worse if set to a sunny day. Please comment my conclusion after watching my photos below, before I go to SE service. Thanks

I am impressed how sharp photos can be made with such a small lense, it even might be usefull to sometimes
set the camera to 5Mpx (yes ...).

Original photo, clean lens, sunny day. The wb is totally off - to cold:

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Modified wb, added red and yellow, getting near to the natural colour balance:

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Another photo recorded with a wrong setting (cloudy) getting more near to a correct wb, though the red colour is a little to strong here:
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Original photo, clean lens, shadow on a sunny day. The wb is totally off - much to cold:
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Modified wb, still not enough, even after adding 20%of red colour and 12% of yellow the picture is colder as in reallity:
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Posted: 2011-01-15 00:53:40
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To be honest I don't see that much anything wrong with the white balance now after the pictures you posted, setting to auto white balance creates a cold picture this is normal and typical in most digital cameras and cameraphones. For me usually when the sun is shining strong (yellowish sunlight) I use daylight wb, when the skies are clear (white sunlight) or cloudy I use cloudy wb to get warmer pictures. There are also times using snow settings + correct white balance produces good results during daylight.

BTW have you tried updating your Elm's firmware? If you have the cable you can try the firmware update through SE update service, might solve your problem or if you are unsure just bring it to a SE service.

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Posted: 2011-01-15 02:55:43
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@urednik

same here, I agree with Reeflotz, I don't see any problem with the WB in your photos. If I am not mistaken, you also posted in the SE discussion board regarding the WB alleged problem. I used to complain also regarding the low light pics taken by the Elm. Well, I learned to live with it since I couldn't expect much from a relatively low priced camera phone to perform like a real digital camera. If I needed to take good low light pics, it is much better to bring along a dedicated camera.

Funny but true, I agree with what Degraff said in the SE discussion board: "Buy a camera if you want to take perfect pictures. Geez. You're talking about a phone here."
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Posted: 2011-01-15 06:16:07
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@jms: a very apt related quote from degraaf, mate! camphones can only be pushed to what they can really just offer, drivers modding included. for one, i believe that SE's R&D is somehow doing their homework. but then, there would always be another guy smarter than them who somehow comes up with a better driver, much to our liking most of the time. modding, per se, will always be defined and limited by hardware issues.

these latest photos all look sharp, notwithstanding the coldness factor.
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Posted: 2011-01-15 07:12:00
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Guys sorry to say, but white balance issue has nothing to do with tha fact that it is just a phone camera.
Well if you say it is nothing wrong with the white balance, why then such a big difference between my Elm (misses red and yellow big time) and w890i, as I posted before?



Additinally I have the latest firmware installed. When I bought the phone it was not working and the camera was just making dark photos, totally dark (with the newest firmware vie SE PC Suite), before I brought it to the service.

And just to make things clearer, I can try to do whatever I wish, but there is no way I could make a shot with such colours (whichever setting it is) as zAlbee (and he has got the same camera):



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Posted: 2011-01-15 09:25:34
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I am getting also similar results with my Elm even when taking pictures in broad daylight. I don't think SE has a solution for this at the moment.



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There are a lot of limitations of the Elm being a mid tier camera phone. The flash is almost totally useless in low light. There are those red and blue lines when taking low light pictures. The shutter speed is very slooow so you have to hold your hands very steady when taking indoor shots with not that much light. Because of this I rarely use my Elm for taking low light photos. I only mainly use my Elm as a phone and I take pictures with it for fun. I do use it also for taking important photos when I do not have a dedicated camera with me but I do not expect much from it being a low priced camera phone. I think the Nokia N8 judging from the photo gallery takes very good pictures. I suggest if you want a really decent camera phone, do get the N8.

Cheers.



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Posted: 2011-01-15 10:59:48
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JMS yes, you have a similar problem, though the biggest problem by me is the white balance without sunshine. It looks nearly black and white.

Once again - the camera is greaaat. Just the WB setting is of, which is easy to adjust in the software! So we should not give up - SE should try to help us with problematic handsets. Obviously not eberybody with ELM has got such extreme problems.
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Posted: 2011-01-15 11:10:55
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Did you know that your eyes, in very low light, also see close to black and white? Colour is an effect of light breaking and reflecting. If there isn't much light, there isn't much colour accordingly. The Elm, apparently, just doesn't have anything in its camdriver to compensate this effect of colour loss in darkness.
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Posted: 2011-01-15 12:13:13
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