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On 2013-05-21 14:57:45, razec wrote:
I don't get it, why are people too hyped about OIS in smartphones? the focal length of a smartphone cameras is too short for the effect of OIS to be sensible. unless those lenses are zoom capable and can go up to 100mm(in 35mm equivalent) I can only look at those as gimmicks.
@Tsepz
C905 camera does not protrude in the back :3
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-05-21 14:11 ]
I was under the impression that SE created that bump at the back of the C905 to reduce the protrusion, but it does seem to be the cover that created it. Either way, that would be a nice way to design a large camera unit phone as the C905 felt great in hand.
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Posted: 2013-05-21 16:54:09
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On 2013-05-21 14:57:45, razec wrote:
I don't get it, why are people too hyped about OIS in smartphones? the focal length of a smartphone cameras is too short for the effect of OIS to be sensible. unless those lenses are zoom capable and can go up to 100mm(in 35mm equivalent) I can only look at those as gimmicks.
@Tsepz
C905 camera does not protrude in the back :3
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-05-21 14:11 ]
No, it protrudes slightly; there's a wavy bump where the camera module is (although there is a chance that this has more do with the lens cover than it does the camera itself).
OIS is practical in general since you'll get up to two extra stops of light than you otherwise would. There are plenty of wide and normal lenses with OIS (Nikon's 16-35/4 VR FX, for instance).
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Posted: 2013-05-21 16:55:31
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@lewko I agree with you 80% of the way, BUT N95? Are you having a laugh? That phone almost single handedly signaled the end of Nokia's reign as number 1 handset manufacturer. It was buggy, slow, big, ugly ad the camera was shite. And the main 'problem' that causes the big battery drain in modern handsets is the screen. They're bigger, brighter, clearer and more pixel dense than ever before and the battery technology hasn't improved so the size has to scale too.
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Posted: 2013-05-21 17:07:09
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Will the Honami have a flat back and a flat front like the Xperia Z does - yes or no?
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Posted: 2013-05-21 17:14:17
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On 2013-05-21 16:55:31, lolstebbo wrote:
OIS is practical in general since you'll get up to two extra stops of light than you otherwise would. There are plenty of wide and normal lenses with OIS (Nikon's 16-35/4 VR FX, for instance).
The 16-35 VR FX is a zoom lens, equivalent to 24-52mm when used on a nikon DX camera, besides it's got F4 aperture, new smartphones boast faster camera lenses and fixed focal length (most of which are 24-28mm wide which is considered stable enough to not necessitate an OIS system) in general and as I said the focal length was just too short for handshake to be visible unless the person have epileptic hands
in real life the f-stop advantage of OIS enabled smartphone cameras are marginal anyway, Though I'm not against Sony implementing it if they could, however I still think there were better things to work on other than OIS such as 10fps high speed burst and in-sensor PDAF which were used on NEX6. and with 10fps burst it gives Sony the opportunity to implement HHT/ Handheld Twiglight a.k.a. Multi Frame Noise reduction enabling less noisy high ISO shots. how sweet would that be if they did
@everyone:
C905 camera lens cover was flush to the surface of the back, but it's true the phone had a slight curve to accomodate the module's thickness but still it's not as conspicuous as the Satio's camera
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On 2013-05-21 17:07:09, Ricky D wrote:
@lewko I agree with you 80% of the way, BUT N95? Are you having a laugh? That phone almost single handedly signaled the end of Nokia's reign as number 1 handset manufacturer. It was buggy, slow, big, ugly ad the camera was shite. And the main 'problem' that causes the big battery drain in modern handsets is the screen. They're bigger, brighter, clearer and more pixel dense than ever before and the battery technology hasn't improved so the size has to scale too.
Ricky D,
N95 was an example.. to the fact that even such a shitty phone can shoot pictures like iphone 4 or Xperia P. You would be surprised.
It is still good usable for every sms/email/status check update/ calculation, pdf opening task ... not that convenient but usable. With Satio it is even convenient....
Battery drain - no it is not the screen... it is the Data + crappy software using it all the time.... just try to turn of data for a halfy day and read a book, or watch a video, it will not drain your battery that much at all. A friend of mine watched a 720p movie on Xperia T in flight mode for a 2,5 hours flight, draining its battery by 15 - 25 %... So no... it is not the display as they try to tell you..
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@rickrz
Haven't got any info on One Sony tablet except S800. It may have a 2K Triluminos screen. Won't be 7 inches but around 10 inches from what I've heard. And may come out in 2014.
Ray 3 is scheduled for this year, yes.
@nightwing
I guess Honami won't have flat back. Flat back would mean consistent 13-14mm thickness. That won't be ergonomic.
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Posted: 2013-05-21 17:19:32
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back in the days a 18mm phone is considered slim and anything thicker were bricks, if a thicker chassis could warrant a larger battery and other goodies such as Xenon flash and lens cover I'd pick that in the blink of an eye, what's the point owning an ultra slim phone only to place it on a thick leather or silicon jacket for protection
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Posted: 2013-05-21 17:27:34
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On 2013-05-21 17:19:32, randomuser wrote:
@rickrz
Haven't got any info on One Sony tablet except S800. It may have a 2K Triluminos screen. Won't be 7 inches but around 10 inches from what I've heard. And may come out in 2014.
Ray 3 is scheduled for this year, yes.
@nightwing
I guess Honami won't have flat back. Flat back would mean consistent 13-14mm thickness. That won't be ergonomic.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-05-21 16:19 ]
From what I have heard it will be over 10" with a 2K screen and should be out in late Q1 next year.
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Posted: 2013-05-21 17:37:56
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@DACHA @ramu
Ramu said one sony 2 is already becoming more than just a project, also, I remember reading Sony ia planning to launch it a little bit after or before the new galaxy
Wouldn't it be silly to release a flagship tablet with, maybe, a outdated hardware? I mean, s800 succesorwould be already announced
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Posted: 2013-05-21 18:32:37
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