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Okay, Dave, you concede you have no EVIDENCE of al-Jazeera bias. And you concede you have no EVIDENCE al-Jazeera give a platform to terrorists. I wonder why you dis them rather than, say, the BBC then? Perhaps your motivation is subliminal?
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Posted: 2004-12-21 16:27:04
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dave_uk
stop talking rubbishly...how can u easily say to me I m a stupid?
isnt it a weird answers what we talk here from u?how can u abuse me?what do u talk about?how can u talk with me in a manner of impolite?
who are you?find a different forum who listen ur abuse sentences,impolite answers,hatred words,discriminated sentences...muppet? u can easily write these words without any pay attention,without any kindly manner.U ABSOLUTELY BAD-TEMPERED MAN-UNBALANCED PERSON...Why someone doesnt talk with me like u talk?u must learn somethings from SCOTS.what s ur education man?what s ur job man?be patient,be friend,be peacufull...
meanwhile al-Jazeera s a common global tv station man,not more...
"Our mother is love! Our father is love!
We are born from love! We are love!
All loves constitute a bridge leading to the divine love.
To love human beings means to love GOD."
-Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi (1207-1273)
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Posted: 2004-12-21 16:27:46
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Well, Marga, I merely stated that Arabic was becoming more prominent as a world language. I didn't think it was a contentious statement or that other people could twist it in to something that was not intended (and something that had not crossed my mind).
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I'm with Vlamm on this one - this discussion, or a rather personal flame ware as it seems to have degenerated into, is off topic here.
I don't care who started it, and whose right, wrong, or xenophobic, how about we all drop it? I can see that argument going round in circles.
*Vain attempt to get somewhere back on topic* I personally would like to see Turkey as a member of the EU, it will bring some cultural balance to the EU, and I personally think that the more countries, with their different cultures and ways of life the better it would be for the EU. My views on the EU have mellowed a little recently - if only they could cut down on the red tape, over-legislation, corruption and subsidies I would be a lot more for it.
And another question - how about Russia joining? You could argue that a lot of Turkey is outside of Europe, quite a lot of Russia is also outside of Europe, so if Turkey are joining, why not Russia? As I say, the more the merrier! 
And the EU could provide a serious contender for the US as a world superpower, perhaps keep them in check a bit?
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Posted: 2004-12-21 16:45:14
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@dave what u said is below;
Hmmm....maybe. Time will tell, as always. Though if Al-Jazeera is an indication of the cultural growth we can anticipate, God help us all, or at least those of us who aren't Islamic!
God help us all,or at least those of us who doesnt provide discrimination,and hatred.U absolutely do not know anything about Islam and its doctrin.I m Islamic-Ottoman Turk and I m very very glad to be.Turks are real Muslims...
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Posted: 2004-12-21 16:55:54
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@absinthebri
You should be a psychologist! (The subliminal comment) 
It's very difficult to prove such things, as you well know, so evidence is a very convenient get-out. One of my best friends is serving in the Israeli army at the moment and I speak to him weekly. My father is heavily involved in a government-sponsored initiative to work out how best to help the Palestinians build a self-sufficient Palestinian state that is secure for both sides. I do not have concrete evidence that I can present to you but I am not in a court of law either and you, although you seem to think you are, are not a judge. I have heard first-hand accounts of the type of distortions I am referring to but I understand that that does not meet your strict criteria for evidence and is therefore inadmissible. One thing I can tell you is that my motivation is not subliminal, it is, ironically like yours, to right some widely-held and wrongly-held beliefs about the reality of what is reported in the name of news journalism. But this whole issue is wearing very thin and I am tired of going over the same thing again and again. You will have your opinions and I will have mine and, it seems, never the 'twain shall meet...so there it is. I respect your views, and I would ask that you respect mine.
@clearday
I don't have the intellect to decipher whatever point it is that you are trying to make. One thing I have managed to conclude is that you are a hypocrite, telling me I should be "friendly" and "peaceful" in the next breath after you have called me a racist. You are stupid - that I stand by.
@Vlamm
Sorry, you're right. I did try and make that point some time ago but it fell on deaf ears so I thought it might as well continue. But I'll stop now. No offence meant, except of course to those who are prone to outrageous, unfounded accusations 
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Posted: 2004-12-21 17:01:52
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u only breed discrimination.Man I m a logistics specialist,I ve been educated in London Economics School one year,in amsterdam university 1 year,graduated from the best university in the middle east and balkans named Bosphorus University,I can speak two languages,one of is Italian other s spanish.And I can understand easily ur simple English impolite sentences here.There s no doubt for me.U only push and postt everywhere how I m stupid,u just write it easily and Everyone has seen ur sentences on top I said about ur Islamic thought and manners.So what can u wait from me?I do not only watch ur ignorant sentences?I must correct it.This s so normal,do not force urself saying some "rubbish words,unmeaningful clauses".U can not find urself in uppercase while u do these...and take some advise from Mevlana who is muslim and lived 700 years ago in the world.And cry?and ask urself how can I be so ignorant and untolerance man?
Mevlana says;
Come, Come again !
Whatever you are...
Whether you are infidel,
idolater or fireworshipper.
Whether you have broken your vows
of repentance a hundred times
This is not the gate of despair,
This is the gate of hope.
Come, come again...
-Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi (1207-1273)
"Our mother is love! Our father is love!
We are born from love! We are love!
All loves constitute a bridge leading to the divine love.
To love human beings means to love GOD."
-Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi (1207-1273)
How long wil you say, "I will conquer the whole world
and fill with myself"?
Even if the snow covered the world completely,
the sun could melt it with a glance.
A single spark of God's mercy
can turn poison into springwater.
Where there is doubt,
He establishes certainty.
-Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi (1207-1273)
dave-uk...dave-uk...still...still...
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@dave_uk
Please ignore absinthebri, for obvious reasons.
@Clearday
dave_uk was not insulting Muslims or Arabs, he made a point, which looks to have been misunderstood. dave_uk was being critical of Al-Jazeera, not Islam, in facthe his point looks to have been to seperate Islam from Al-Jazeera, which many in the West take to represent Islam as a whole.
@boto43
I am not entirely sure what your point was, but I can ensure you that Britain does have a great deal of emigrants. In fact Britain is one of the world's greatest emigrant nations, with Britons having settled in almost every nation of Earth and certainly on every continent.
@Vlamm
I don't see English losing its global status, but I do see othe rlanguages gaining such a status. The problem with the spread of Arabic and Chinese as opposed to Spanish is that they use different alphabets from the Latin alphabet.
Europe, America, India and China look to be the dominant economic powers on the near future, of these, all but one have significant relationships with the Latin alphabet in general and English in particular.
Arabic as a language doesn't have much scope outside the Islamic world, not only because of the fact that it uses a different alphabet, but also because the Arab nations are not cultualy dominant. Arab nations do not produce sufficient global brands or cultural references to make themselves an influential cultural force. If one looks to China on the other hand, Chinese culture is widely known and even practiced throughout the Western world, whether through cooking, the Chinese New Year, medicines or any other means. Arabic culture is, at best, marginalised in the wider world, with minimal references.
From current trends one would imagine that there will be two or three dominant languages, most likely English, Spanish and Chinese. There may be other languages, which are important, but I believe that these three will be the most widespread through a mixture of economic necessity and cultural icons. One can already see a similar situation in the EU, where English, French and German are the dominant languages because of thes every reasons.
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@scot
my post is something between a joke and provocation.
I'm sure that's not anything serious. 
Sorac has said "Boto is flame maker" 
Certainly that's not true .
Btw I don't care about emigrants or immigrants and I'm not an expert in this field of "life" .
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Posted: 2004-12-21 21:50:00
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@boto43
Well that is jolly good to hear!
Do you think your country has benefited from being a member of the EU?
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