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yes but there is a certain amount of development time that goes into these things.
But the biggest factor is that there is no evidence that SE have committed to smartphones in the short term, hence the possibility it could be two years or more.
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Posted: 2005-08-14 10:18:02
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Everything under control I see. Jolly good.
No need for my input then ... yet.
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Posted: 2005-08-26 04:31:41
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remember the last round, correct me if I am wrong, i vaguely remembered you arguing that smartphone does not give any advantage when selling in 3G. Here is something for you to digest. The news is that Nokia (a latecomer to 3G) has taken the lead in 3G handset sales.
Is this too much of a coincident that all of Nokia 3G handsets are smartphone. And the 6680 was voted the best 3G handset. Maybe you can give your take on why Nokia and not SE (which have a headstart in 3G) that achieved this feat.
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http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2005/08/23/112012.html
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Nokia Seizes Number One Position in Global 3G Phone Market
According to the latest research from Strategy Analytics, a total of 9 million WCDMA (3G) phones were shipped worldwide during the second quarter of 2005 (April to June). Nokia topped the list of vendor-rankings for the first time, with a 17 per cent global share.
Chris Ambrosio, Director of the Strategy Analytics Wireless Device Strategies service, noted, "At 17 percent, Nokia's 3G market share is almost half its overall global total of 33 percent. WCDMA (3G) technology, which accounted for just 5 per cent of total handset sales during Q2 2005, remains a market in the early stages of development, but it is worrying for a cluster of aspiring Asian vendors that Nokia has already become best in class. Early market-leaders NEC and LG have been overtaken by Nokia and they have significant work to do to match up in the next battle for WCDMA phones priced below US$200 wholesale, which will present significant mass-market opportunities in 2006 to 2010."
"Strategy Analytics' Advanced Buyer Panel recently rated the Nokia 6680 as the best-in-class 3G phone in Western Europe." added Neil Mawston, Associate Director, Wireless Device Strategies. "Step by step, Nokia is regaining ground in high-end device segments that it has lost to Motorola, Samsung, LG and others over the last couple of years."
Other findings from Strategy Analytics' Global Handset Market Share Update for Q2 2005 include:
* Motorola continues to surge in 2.5G (GPRS), due to popular ultra-slim models, such as the V3 Razr. However, it is on the back foot in 3G (WCDMA) and it urgently needs design improvements in this segment;
* Audiovox of the US reached its highest level in CDMA handsets for two years, due to aggressive promotion from its ambitious new owner, UTStarcom.
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Posted: 2005-08-26 12:32:22
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@scotsboyuk:.
Is this too much of a coincident that all of Nokia 3G handsets are smartphone.
No, since Nokia seems determined to shove smartphones upon anyone looking for a mobile phone.
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And the 6680 was voted the best 3G handset.
By whom? There are a multitude of organisations, magazines and institutes, which reguarly contradict each other by voting different handsets as 'the best,' I rarely go by such awards, they are meaningless to me since I base my buying decisions upon what I actually want, not what someone else tells me to want.
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Maybe you can give your take on why Nokia and not SE (which have a headstart in 3G) that achieved this feat.
I would imagine that it has something to do with Nokia having a higher manufacturing capability enabling it to manufacture more handsets for people to buy along with the fact that SE has only had one 3G handset active for the past year or so and has only now released a second.
Nokia is a more popular brand, more people buy Nokia handsets than those of other brands. Hence more Nokia handsets are sold hence more Nokia smartphones are sold hence more Nokia smartphones, which are 3G are sold.
It's really rather simple actually. The biggest companies usually sell more products you see. SE has done well with 3G, but has had too few handsets available whilst LG was leading the market, but only really because of the fact that the likes of 3 were practically giving them away (interestingly enough 3 are also doing this with Nokias).
I believe we have already been through all of this. You will forgive me if I choose to cut and paste portions of previous posts should I feel the need to.
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Posted: 2005-08-27 04:13:33
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6680 award: i think it's mentioned in article. The award is not important but the sales figure is. Nokia smartphone sales is up >200% in Q2 compared to last. So 3G is trending smartphone sales (at least for Nokia)
Not trying to go over old points with you. like you say, many who bought smartphone may not be using those features. Similarly for 3G. But to the industry as a whole these figures matter.
Will be interesting to see in the next few months whether the trend will continue as Nokia would have 6630/6680/N90/N70/N91 3G smartphones on sale plus the 3G 6270/6280.
My guess is that it is very likely that Nokia will dominate 3G like it did in smartphone (because both go hand-in-hand). Not that this is a good thing.
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Posted: 2005-08-27 04:57:38
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it is a pain in the ___ to use the p series with only one hand.. so i agree... i wud definitely appreciate a non touch screen smart phone... and right now 6680 / 6630 seems good
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Posted: 2005-08-27 06:28:27
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Ah! There you are govi! Now you know why i am so attracted towards s60!
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Posted: 2005-08-27 06:38:00
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On 2005-08-27 04:57:38, mib1800 wrote:
@scotsboyuk:
6680 award: i think it's mentioned in article. The award is not important but the sales figure is. Nokia smartphone sales is up >200% in Q2 compared to last. So 3G is trending smartphone sales (at least for Nokia)
It is too early to say for definite whether or not it is the smartphone or 3G side of the handset that is pushing the sales. If one looks to Nokia sales on a network like 3, for example, then one finds that they only sell 3G there because that is all 3 sell.
If we examine the case of 3 in the UK there is a strong case to be made that people are not buying any of their handsets for business purposes beyond phone calls, texts, etc because there is no full internet access or modem data capability.
3G handsets tend to be getting the hard sell approach from all the 3G networks and since Nokia actively market in more countries and have more products available at lower prices I would argue that this is a strong factor. LG by comparison have basically the same product in aslightly different variations, which really isn't conductive to winning over a broad spectrum of customers now that 3G handsets aren't quite the behemoths they used to be.
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Not trying to go over old points with you. like you say, many who bought smartphone may not be using those features. Similarly for 3G. But to the industry as a whole these figures matter.
Here I agree with you, but again I think one has to be cautious. Many people may be buying these handsets simply because they got a good deal on them with little or no intention of using either smartphone or 3G features. The industry simply wants people to convert so they probably don't actually care too much at this stage, but then they will want people to start using their services so as to gain more revenue so it will matter in the long-run.
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Will be interesting to see in the next few months whether the trend will continue as Nokia would have 6630/6680/N90/N70/N91 3G smartphones on sale plus the 3G 6270/6280.
I suspect that Nokia will probably continue to see 3G growth and increase its 3G market share. LG will probably start losing 3G market share unless it can diversify its product line. SE will probably increase its 3G market share based on a few new 3G handsets to be released over the next few months.
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My guess is that it is very likely that Nokia will dominate 3G like it did in smartphone (because both go hand-in-hand). Not that this is a good thing.
I'm not terribly sure they will or that do, not at this stage anyway. Both smartphones and 3G are at an early stage of development and inception in terms of market penetration and user uptake rates. All the evidence we have at the moment suggests that people aren't really all that excited about such advanced features in so far as most people don't use their mobiles to their maximum potential.
The 3G market is still very much taking shape with some of the bigger players having made relatively little impact yet e.g. Motorola, Samsung, etc. I think it's far too early for us to have gained any real picture of this situation, we have only really seen the opening salvos.
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Posted: 2005-08-27 13:48:20
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scotsboyuk:
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I'm not terribly sure they will or that do, not at this stage anyway. Both smartphones and 3G are at an early stage of development and inception in terms of market penetration and user uptake rates.
It is not that early. Last year smartphone was something like 3%. This year it is about 8-10%. 3G is at 5%. both are more than doubling every year. I think it would be realistic to say saturation level is maybe at 30% and this is not that far away.
I agree with you operators are pushing these phones out cheaply in the hope that people will take up 3G services. I think the day where buyer says "ah I want use 3G services so I must buy a 3G phone" is still some way off.
btw: do you know how are SE 3G phones doing?
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Posted: 2005-08-28 05:27:20
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Mib: "I agree with you operators are pushing these phones out cheaply in the hope that people will take up 3G services. I think the day where buyer says "ah I want use 3G services so I must buy a 3G phone" is still some way off. "
I completely agree. Infact, that is the part of the premise of my argument that SE still have time to prepare their smartphone strategy, and to increase the smartphone proportion of their line-up, and still be competitive against Nokia when they do so.
I believe you could equally say "ah I want use smartphone features, so I must buy a smartphone" is still some way off. "
(ducks....)
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Posted: 2005-08-28 06:22:24
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