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roll on WW3...
fatreg
esp after dr rice as stated she will help japan...
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Posted: 2006-10-18 12:28:32
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I thought things had changed when the two countries presented one team at the Sydney Olympics.
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Posted: 2006-10-18 12:40:00
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Well she has no choice but to really.
After all, if the US is going to insist that Japan has no army for the foreseable future then it has to defend it.
Something tells me this is gonna be a nasty confrontation. S Korea has to be defended as too.
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Posted: 2006-10-18 12:41:06
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well im safe...everybody loves aussies and canadians
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Posted: 2006-10-18 12:41:54
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Wow. So many of you are missing the boat here.
Yes. The US can bomb the heck out of whomever they want and probably win. But what about the consequences? What about the aftermath?
If they invade and conquer, they will be seen as even more imperialist and the world will unite to shut down the US.
If they toss in a nuke. Most of you don't remember Hiroshima and the destruction it caused. Most of you don't remember the Lukemia victims. Many of you have played way too many video games to think that there are no repercussions.
If they just drop bomb after bomb. Also too much collateral damage. Bombs take out buildings, roads, bridges, innocent people.
I they bomb and leave. Think about the aftermath of the war. You're leaving a country that's heavily bombed without support, without a government, without infrastructure. You end up with 2 possible scenarios.
1. Anarchy
2. Military dictatorship
And in all honesty, #1 probably will lead to #2 anyway.
The US government, also requires the support of the people (remember it's a democratic country?). You're already fighting a 2 front war, with a 3rd pressure cooker always about to explode (Isreal vs. WHOMEVER). Public support for the "war against terror" is already waning. Increasing casualties, and hello...what happened to the WMDs? Declaring war on ANYONE even if an ally is bombed, will be tough. The public does not want more of their mothers, fathers, husbands, sisters, brothers, wives, children, friends, co-workers dying; sacrificing lives for something that's not an immediate threat.
The resolution to N.Kr MUST be a diplomatic one. Chinese and Russian governments don't want it any other way. You will only unite them against the US if the US decides to unilaterally move in. S.Kr doesn't have a strong enough army. Japan is armed enough for defence. not for an assault. no one else in the region is armed well enough to stand behind the US. Tony Blair was pretty much forced to step down for his support in Iraq. Canada and Australia are abhorrent to war. Spain pulled out its support to the 'war on terror'. The french are no where to be found. Bombing N.Kr is thus NOT an option.
~LB
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Posted: 2006-10-18 16:01:56
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@Bandit
But the US has no intention of invading and conquering NK.
It is NK that is threatening war if sanctions are put in place. The US has made a pledge to defend Japan and S Korea - thats all. If that means knocking out NK Missile batteries then so be it.
What else is it supposed to do if Japan is attacked?
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Posted: 2006-10-18 16:43:24
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Artillery
North Korea has an estimated 13,000 hardened artillery sites, many of the pieces aimed at targets in and around the South Korean capital, Seoul.
Like much of North Korea's armed forces, they are well camouflaged and bunkered in.
4,000 are near the DMZ and 200 to 300 in range of Seoul.
U.S. officials believe every fourth round has a chemical tip.
Chemical/Biological weapons
North Korea has the world's third largest stock of chemical weapons.
Included in the arsenal is mustard gas, phosgene, sarin and V-agents.
Pyongyang also has an active biological weapons program.
Its inventory is believed to include anthrax, botulism, cholera, hemorrhagic fever, plague, smallpox, typhoid and yellow fever.
Scary stuff indeed!
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Posted: 2006-10-18 17:24:53
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But the US has no intention of invading and conquering NK.
I'm not saying that the US has any intentions of attacking N.Kr. But there are people in this thread that seem to believe that it's the way to solve the NK situation. My diatribe was directed towards them.
~LB
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Posted: 2006-10-18 17:28:35
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I they bomb and leave. Think about the aftermath of the war. You're leaving a country that's heavily bombed without support, without a government, without infrastructure.
Did the US(and UK) not help both Germany and the Japs after ww2?
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Posted: 2006-10-18 17:42:23
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@joebmc
i said IFFFF they do that. Yes. They did. All the allies helped actually. which is why the berlin wall went up cos they couldn't agree if the country was to be communist or democratic.
They did the same for Japan also (although I'm thinking, more out of guilt). And they're trying to do that with Iraq and Afghanistan.
My point is that you can't leave a country w/o government and without infrastructure. But if you run into a country like Iraq and Afghanistan where you have different groups vehemently opposed to each other, it's no easy task.
You have to give Saddam Hussein and the taliban their due. Although oppressed, there was relative peace. The people now have no idea when they will see that peace again (remember what I said about anarchy and military dictatorship? This is why. people want peace. The people will support whomever can provide that illusory satisfaction).
~LB
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Posted: 2006-10-18 17:50:01
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