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@maggflodd, well spotted. I posted that as a slightly ironic acknowledgement of/comment on fatreg's call for calm! Difference being: fatreg was mostly right,the guardian was trying to appear reasonable...
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Posted: 2007-03-30 08:12:55
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I was merely asking people here to calm down as its quite apparant that tempers are getting frayed!
Fatreg
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Posted: 2007-03-30 08:48:00
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On 2007-03-30 08:48:00, fatreg wrote:
I was merely asking people here to calm down as its quite apparant that tempers are getting frayed!
Fatreg
and you were right!
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Posted: 2007-03-30 09:28:00
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Maybe not right but rightish
what's that other word for 'frayed'? Ah yeah, 'threadbare'! nice weekend!
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Posted: 2007-03-30 09:38:51
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lets get a bit more back on the actual topic now please
Iran airs second sailor 'apology'
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Posted: 2007-03-30 12:45:32
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Hmmm... Don't know, have to watch it again when I'm less busy. For now I don't wanna venture a "doesn't look too disstressed" though I just did... You know maybe what I mean... It's been a while since I attended psych-lectures, but his reactions to the off-camera prompts appear perfectly "natural" - I'm not saying it's nice, or that they didn't use some form of "carrot and stick" but if he came out later saying, we were tortured, I'd be "surprised"... oops - Maybe, just maybe, the initial fear on their faces had something to do with reverse psychology: as soldiers in that area, as Brits they are fully aware of what's going on in guantanamo, and how the west's war on terror are perceived in wide circles, not only in Iran... they also know of course, that US AND BRITISH forces are not always "that nice" to prisoners... So, maybe the fear expressed earlier had more to do with expecting some of "their own medicine" (to put it tastelessly), and of course with expecting revenge....not necessarily the same!!!
But as I said: didn't have a chance to watch it closely!!!
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Posted: 2007-03-30 14:00:34
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The poor guy apologised for entering there waters 3 times! And each time to me it looked like he was being told to by the guy off camera. Well that’s how it looked to me.
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Posted: 2007-03-30 14:10:12
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What I'm trying to work out is if this whole game Iran is playing is just simply a propaganda war or if there is something else behind it all...?
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Posted: 2007-03-30 19:03:29
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i'd like to think there just playing games but im not 100%... the are telling the sailors what to say and those letters are not from the girl not by a long way, if they are she needs to be shot.
when you are fighting a war for your country you do not ask for it to stop, you stop when the problems have been sorted or a side folds..
the thing that i'm concerned about is the fact that trespassing without concent in Iran carries a death sentence... so confessing to it on TV is not the best thing it the world to do. He also being a Royal Marine would not be sorry for anything, you have to be a certain type of person to be a Marine a type that would not fold and apologise after 7 days.
i feel there is something behind all this, now this is speculation and holds no weight at all but it's my view..
I feel the Iranians have taken the 15 personnel as a kind of bait if you will and the only way to get the released is for the UK and US to pull out of Iraq, I don't feel those 3 letters are from Faye and while i can't argue with what the video states, you can tell by his manner and body language he is being told what to say. I can only deduce from this that the Iranians have promised nothing will happen to them if the UK and US withdraw from Iraq.
I don't know what we can do about it though, if we threaten Iran with military action we are kind of shooting ourselves in the foot, the Iranians army is 3x the size of ours and we know then possess nuclear energy......
If we and the US pull out of Iraq, the insurgence have "won" and it belittles both the UK and US, so that's not going to happen.
as i've said my only real concern is that trespassing in Iran carries a life sentence.....
as i've also said, the above are all my own thoughts, they carry no weight and they derive from nowhere other than my head.
also.. i like however they been captured a week ago yet there still in uniform?
fatreg
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Posted: 2007-03-30 20:41:46
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Oh yes, the letters were definately not from her or her collegues 100%, on the news they were stating how they were even addressed to the wrong people, a mistake that she and the other sailors wouldn't have made.
I personally feel that there are three things to all this...
Propaganda to Iran's people and the Middle East as a whole
As you said Fatreg, bait to try and convince us to leave Iraq
And finally to basically try and wind us up
This is why whatever our next action is, we have to do it very carefully and consider every possibly consequence. Fortunately we are supported on this situation by many powers around the globe, so at least we can say we're not alone on this.
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Posted: 2007-03-31 00:54:13
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