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Fair enough, but why does it matter to you so much that they are cowards (I do share the same sentiment with you on this one though) ?
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Posted: 2007-06-04 13:48:12
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@mode,
there's an awful lot of nokia-bashing on all nokia-forums I have visited, and I come back here because I generally find esato quite "tolerant", and because I like esato overall! There's a lot of operamini-bashing on myopera, etc etc ! To claim qvga or dogman or sapporobaby or, mind my teeth: maggflodd...that we are just bashing SE for the fun of it is ludicrous!!! I'm not saying that's the gist of your posts, but it's the tipping-point of many threads here that turn ugly when certain SE-fans just can't stick to reality! And as I mentioned elsewhere, there's on occasion an element of cowardish authority-ass-kissing involved - that is: certain authority figures here can praise non-SE-products without ever getting personally attacked or even threatened for their "betrayal" of SE!
that is quite pathetic, and shows a certain mindset that shouldn't be defended! I think you or max wedge, e.g., show that it's possible to "defend" SE without resorting to nonsense offence-tantrums...
and saying, "go to your own forum"...come on! is their a blairite trend here? Should we only post se-ads? Is this "New Esato" where the chiefwhip threatens naughty backbenchers? It's a discussion forum, and even non-phone threads here get regularily derailed which proves that it's all about manners rather than "bashing a brand"!
maggflodd
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:13:58
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On 2007-06-04 13:30:29, QVGA wrote:
because SE is acting like real cowards at the moment. making mid range phones to get as much money as they want.
And this is different from other companies how?
Why shouldn't SE grow its range? Why shouldn't be as big as Moto or Nokia? Its hardly going to grow its market share by making niche high-end phones is it? So what if it has been concentrating on the mid range?
How do YOU know what phones are in development?
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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-06-04 13:33 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:16:59
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@goldenface,
THAT is a valid point, for sure. And nokia, e.g., have a sh*tload of low-/midrange that I can't even try to keep apart... They were just lucky "this time round" kicking every business-phone in just about every comp-test with e61, by causing maximum hype with n95... Etc etc! but the "abuse-debate" isn't just about SE's range of phones, it's about the failings of models like p990 to name just one. Well, I certainly can't get bent out of shape about a corp's strategy, just as I can't get excited weeks before an "announcement"...you know, clear my calendar and all that!
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:32:24
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Yeah but calling a company cowards just because they want to make more money and grow by releasing more mid-range phones?
Which company isn't guilty of that?
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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-06-04 13:42 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:40:03
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Come on people whats with calling a company cowards please join the real world i think you got far to much time on your hands
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Posted: 2007-06-04 14:52:39
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On 2007-06-04 14:40:03, goldenface wrote:
Yeah but calling a company cowards just because they want to make more money and grow by releasing more mid-range phones?
Which company isn't guilty of that?
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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-06-04 13:42 ]
agree - total nonsense! It's like saying there's a corporation that isn't out to exploit the market, i.e. its constituents/US!!! actually, one should/could argue SE are quite BOLD for kicking off with loads of exciting stuff to then say, sorry dudes, now we are after someone else - so, relax, we'll get back to you! ... And it really isn't just SE even though I'm currently on the darkside
market strategies are never pretty! Look at ps2/3 (sorry, oops, sony again): it's fair to say that games developers only a year ago or so really pulled everything out of the ps2, and bang, there's the ps3 with at least 8 months of crappy games... Or now, thanks to vista, a lot of computer-branders hardly support their xp-stuff anymore... It ain't always pretty! That's why it's called capital-ISM!
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Posted: 2007-06-04 15:08:47
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@Maggflodd
It wasn't my intention if it sounded like "go to your own forum", what I'm really interested to send across actually is why would anyone go out of their niche/way to bash. If you think that's absurd then fair enough, I certainly don't look at you or Dogmann or Sapporobaby as blatant haters because I have been following your posts and I get where you guys are coming from. But do understand that from the point of view of a fan, it is apparent SE has their failures being the owner of a P990 myself (features aside, the darned thing just can't multitask!), but recognizing its weakness and reacting to it is not the same as kicking a man when he's already down. You've already made your points clear, stop kicking already. I wouldn't mind constructive criticism in the event of future SE screw ups(I'd probably join in if it concerns me), but no old, repetitive news please
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Posted: 2007-06-04 15:11:17
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I guess it's partly a matter of perspective. On one hand SE don'tmake as leading edge handsets as they used to. For example they used to have the latest tech in all thier (very limited number of) handsets. For example K700 had vga camera and 3gp video recording, huge onboard memory size, xhtml browser, email client, media player etc when all other brands had only a few of those things per handset or inferior iterations of the same technology.
Now, they have phones with the next but latest wifi, the next but latest 3G technology, the next but latest video recording quality, and they have had issues with joysticks in K750 and firmware problems with the early UIQ3 handsets. In totality, all these problems have parallels with Nokia, Motorola or any other phone manufacturer, but we had been used to seeing better from SE than the other manufacturers. Now they are starting to expand market appeal, and they have dropped the "leading edge" in some areas. This is understandably disappointing to many, and felt as a betrayal by some even.
To be honest, I have also felt a little miffed by SE's backwardness on the main three technologies they are behind in: HSDPA, WIFI and Video Recording. But overall I still see leading edge technology. I still see many areas SE are ahead of Nokia, so can't accept the argument at all that SE don't make good phones or are no longer leading edge.
I see the best quality CMOS censors available in a mobile phone in SE handsets. I see the most leading edge camera interface available in SE camera phones. I see AF, mechanical shutters, xenon flash and other such things being pioneered in camera phones by you guessed it: SE.
I see SE leading the ground in JAVA technology. Java technology stands to free non-smartphones from their restricted os's and add multitasking, background apps, full progammatic access to the phone hardware via easy to use API's, and other things until now the arena of "smartphones". I see SE turning a non-smartphone into a smartphone, using an application platform that stretches across manufacturer boundaries to allow developers to devise applications that work on all phones not just one particular flavour of smartphone. No other manufacturer has embraced JAVA the way SE has.
I see SE maintaining a touchscreen interface when other phone OEMs have given up. (though iphone with it's finger touch screen may pip the post - unless SE come up with a finger-touchscreen design of their own - but let's keep iphone out of it until iphone actually exists in the market). Just because some users don't like touchscreens is no excuse for a so called "leading edge" company to not bother providing it's customers with a viable touchscreen option. If SE is off-par because they don't have VGA recording yet, then Nokia is off-par for not even bothering to develop an s60 touchscreen phone. They don't even have a real touchscreen phone let alone a leading edge one.
I see SE leading the edge in non-smartphone task switching (you have to use the activity key to realise how revolutionary this is for a non-smartphone). I see SE introducing budget handsets with consistantly better specs than equivalently priced Nokia phones.
So by no means can I accept that SE don't have leading edge technology. Like Nokia and any other OEM, they are behind in some areas and ahead in others.
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Posted: 2007-06-04 15:16:18
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Did it ever occur to you that the reason se havent done much this year is because they simply dont have to they have made everyone else work harder and to make the profits they don they cant be all bad can they
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