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"Anyone can do a DOS attack'

A slight exaggeration... I can't, and no-one I know can.

"So yes, even the apple kiddies can do it too, since the tools you need can be compiled for BSD (mac)."

I didn't say it wasn't possible on a Mac. I said I seriously doubt many (most?) Apple users would know how.

I've been using Apple computers for 18 years, and am probably more knowledgeable than most about doing pretty much any task on one - however, even I would have absolutely no idea where to start if I wanted to do a DDOS attack.

Even if I found the code, I wouldn't have a clue how to compile it for BSD, or run it, or how to make it work. I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that applies to most Apple users.

Saying anyone can do it is just incorrect. You do need considerable technical knowledge, both of networks an compiling code. Don't these things need hundreds of compromised Windows machines to work?

"i can even do the more advanced Distributed DOS attack"

I'd be careful what you say, you might get the blame for this attack - even without any proof!
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Posted: 2007-08-19 09:46:27
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I'm not expert, but I have come across underground sites with all sorts of stuff, including DDOS scripts. Where I think the difficulty might be is in deploying the attack from as many different vectors as possible without revealing yourself. For example every release point has to have no connection to you, and you may have to release the bot several times from different locations before it finds enough slave machines to form a strong enough network to launch a DDOS attack. It helps if you are lucky enough to be able to utilise a zero-day vulnurability, but that info is often available on underground websites also.

I'm just guessing, but I reckon anyone with a serious enough intent, would be able to find the necessary info on the net to perform a DDOS, but to do it in such a way as to avoid detection and arrest, that's another story.
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Posted: 2007-08-19 10:34:34
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@ SMS
I see your point but that also why I'm writing about it here: there's been no proof of who's behind it, just rumours! Eldar has been very open about everything and even included the info about the ICQ message that started this rumour. That's what we got, but still people take the easy way out and start bashing without thinking.
If it turns out to be a group not connected to Apple or Apple products, who will look like fools? But I guess everybody thought about that and cosider it worth the risk, or??
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Posted: 2007-08-19 12:13:04
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18 years does not really mean that you have done anything productive for the computer world, like most people dont do. Helping people turn on their macs or formating their hdds is not rocket science. From the fact that you cant compile anything, means that you have not made any programs, or even coded much that is worth something.

And yes, Macs are for less gifted computer people, thats how it is. PC's are for gaming, cad and other advanced features. Macs are used for mail, making movies, and some editing, but nothing out of the ordinary. Lets just say that nothing contributing to humanity is made on a mac, so no go on a space shuttle running mac os....

If i had done the attack, it wouldnt be on a puny site like mobile review, please, that is just insulting. And no, i dont take that road, i just have extensive knowledge for testing on my own servers and applications, since it is required to have any kind of successful site that wont come down with such a simple attack.
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Posted: 2007-08-19 12:25:42
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Liked your analogy SMS , better that we stick to matters in hand rather turning this thread into a MS V Apple slanging match.
I don't imagine that Johnex has any malicous intent, but less aggressive and more helpful posts on the subject by him would make that presumption somewhat more obvious.
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Posted: 2007-08-19 13:20:01
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^^ Sorry about that, just wanted to burst Jools mac bubble, thats all. Anyway, if you want more info, just ask.
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Posted: 2007-08-19 13:23:00
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Sure thing, thanks , The two Admins on M-R (Odelsteken and myself) are on opposite sides of the Apple debate but somehow we manage to get along .
Blimey Brightspark on Esato, this really is becoming a site thats open to all.
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Posted: 2007-08-19 13:35:55
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posted from a Dell XPS M1210, the Macbook slayer!!

Yes, i see .
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Posted: 2007-08-19 14:02:30
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@ Johnex
You say Mac is used by less computer gifted people. Howcome Mac is the prefered computer for creating animated movies (hollywood style), movie effects and it is totally dominating the advertising business? Also, the latest report I heard is that Javaprogrammers tend to prefer inte based macs as they can use more than one OS on them.

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Posted: 2007-08-19 14:38:22
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"Blimey Brightspark on Esato, this really is becoming a site thats open to all."
ay up, mweb .



@ odel
actually, very few, if any, use macs for animation etc
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/[....]EEDF1F3CF93BA25755C0A9649C8B63
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9653

they virtually all use linux now.


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